youthshooter
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lol thats the best video ever, I don't know why it took so long for some one to post this
Non restricted designated marksman semi-automatic rifles?
- Thread starter Xiao Xiong
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lol thats the best video ever, I don't know why it took so long for some one to post this
Yeah. Well if it comes down to it, I will back off that.
Right now there are a few that seem to have everything I want: Swiss Arms Classic, SAPR, and M1A. QBU-88 as well but I'm unsure of quality, and I guess quality is one of the reasons why I was looking for "proven in the field". I just see proven in the field as evidence of quality really.
If I backed off FA what opens up? Really just SL-8 and SCAR, but people say you can't buy SCAR. So is there reason to think SL-8 is a better gun than Swiss Arms, SAPR, or M1A?
If I back off "proven in the field" then XCR and ACR open up. Both of those are interesting guns that honestly have made me question my requirements. The XCR seems to be a very versatile rifle, and the ACR got high marks for accuracy in some reviews here.
What's with all the anti-social people here? If you don't like my thread don't read it.
Sorry, that's impossible. The hilarity of that video finds place in all threads and does wonders for improving one's day at their mundane office of employment. We are all social.
That being said, you are using 'proven in the field' as a prime criteria in selecting what will essentially be a civilian sporting piece. I think Ceska's post is extremely relevant
Buy an AR-15. I sit on the couch for 5 hours a day, but still own two 'proven' combinations, Noveske/LMT and PWS/ATRS.
Turret Monster
CGN Regular
- Location
- New Brunswick
That's a pretty big ego there buds. How do YOU know what the designer intended?
Some of the available guns may have been designed and intended as semi-auto only, and the designer may have had to modify the design to a non-pure dirty select-fire version to meet the requirements of a government contract.
Just sayin' that your whole righteous view of what's pure is just your opinion and may be entirely based on lies.
That being said, you are using 'proven in the field' as a prime criteria in selecting what will essentially be a civilian sporting piece. I think Ceska's post is extremely relevant
It's just as relevant to the entire forum. None of us here "need" to have a military style rifle. Whatever "need" we have of a gun could be satisfied entirely with a standard hunting rifle, and probably most of us have no "need" of a gun at all. Plainly that's true of me too, I don't "need" a rifle and I certainly don't need a military one. I *want* one, because it would be fun. I want it to be military in part because my wife spent four years in the military, also also because it has a certain cool factor. I want it to be reasonably authentic because I like most of the things in my life to be reasonably authentic. And yes I do see use in a military somewhere as a good indication of quality, in my experience those guys really test something out extensively before they accept it.
Bottom line if you choose to buy a black rifle in Canada it's because you like the idea, unless you are planning to start hiring yourself out as a mercenary??!!!
Are you suggesting that this is the wrong forum to ask after black rifles that are used as DMRs?
You guys need to get over yourselves, your hypocrisy is showing. Or if you don't agree with that, then please tell me why you *need* a black rifle, you personally. Zombie apocalypse? Don't make me laugh.
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It would be hard to compete in tac rifle and service rifle without a military style rifle.
I figured I'd chime in seeing how this thread has gone full mall ninja retard.
XX, You're kind of missing the boat with your requirements for a rifle. If you want authentic military, in this country, buy a dewat (deactivated). The number 1 requirement of the rifle you buy (and shoot) must be....ergonomics, as in the rifle must fit YOU.
When considering ergonomics think of; being able to carry it all day in the bush, will you be able to stay on target for extended periods of time (prone, kneeling, sitting, off hand, ect...), will you be able to do this with an optic mounted on it....
Just something to think about.
Now you have gone too far
THESE RIFLES ARE FOR SERVICE RIFLE COMPETITION
Show me a bolt action hunting rifle nowadays that has iron or aperture sights! As someone who likes aperture shooting, should I be forced to use a fu*king scope? Is it because people like you (who know very little about all this I might add) feel you have the right to dictate to me what I am entitled to use for sport or private use? Should I be forced to rack a bolt after every shot and move my shooting hand around throwing off my position when we have rifles that load themselves?
Why dont I come over to your house and remove the automatic transmission from your car because I feel you could make due with driving a stick shift.
Your above statement is about as retarded as that.
Most of us here are trying to be polite and help you find the rifle that you're looking for, so don't piss all over this community with self-righteous BS.
To some your search criteria looks like you just want one of these types of rifles to look cool and they will make comments. Such is life, deal with it.
Xiao - the number of times you mention FA then non-restricted, then military style rifle then back to non-restricted then wanting to find one in Canada that is military style,non-restricted and a "DMR", coupled with your relative "newbie" status makes me think you a searching for some information, some of which will not be helpful or good for legalCanadian gun owners and participants of this sport.
Just my 0.02 and calling it how I see it but this thread is starting to look like Wendy's shopping list.
Just my 0.02 and calling it how I see it but this thread is starting to look like Wendy's shopping list.
Hypocrisy?
At risk of baiting you further and getting another infraction for telling it like it is, I'd like to remind you that we represent the firearm community for all of Canada. There are many eyes that follow these forums that do not have our best interests in mind, nor do they think we are entitled to every freedom (no matter how restricted we find some of our laws) we have.
Your very train of questioning paints us as a bunch of war mongering, law questioning yahoos that wish to parade around in full military regalia in an attempt to appease some profound feeling of euphoria.
According to others? Exactly. Sucks, doesn't it?
Here's my advice to garnish your credibility:
a) Join the military. Your wife's service, of which you should be proud, does not count as experience.
b) Use the search feature before spouting off a month's worth of knowledge gleamed off 'the Google'.
c) Think about the impact of every sentence you write on here. We should not HAVE to do his....but unfortunately we need too.
No one needs anything we buy. It is our right as law abiding citizens. See how such a simple statement differs from this entire thread? I know this is exactly your point, but please reread how you've gone about transmitting this.
Thanks.
/realism
The antis always say "you don't need that" which is a very stooooopid thing to say. Why does it seem that you're just here to stir things up?
It seems that you're attempting to convince CGN members to water down their position on guns since the tories are in charge. This is certainly to prevent the current government from removing these oppressive and foolish laws. What are you scared of? That they'll remove a bunch of dumb laws that have no impact on crime? Why are you afraid of that?
It seems that you're attempting to convince CGN members to water down their position on guns since the tories are in charge. This is certainly to prevent the current government from removing these oppressive and foolish laws. What are you scared of? That they'll remove a bunch of dumb laws that have no impact on crime? Why are you afraid of that?
I agree! You'll note it's being said to me here. I said I wanted a non restricted military fielded DMR in as authentic a form as I can get it. I am being told I should not want that or don't need that or whatever.
I am on board with what you are saying on this point. Let's leave the gun politics out of this forum/thread and stick to having fun, ok? By which I mean, talking about guns, which hopefully will lead to shooting guns, enjoying guns, and generally sharing our interest in the same.
Sorry, that's impossible. The hilarity of that video finds place in all threads and does wonders for improving one's day at their mundane office of employment. We are all social.
That being said, you are using 'proven in the field' as a prime criteria in selecting what will essentially be a civilian sporting piece. I think Ceska's post is extremely relevant
Buy an AR-15. I sit on the couch for 5 hours a day, but still own two 'proven' combinations, Noveske/LMT and PWS/ATRS.
Dohhunter
Why is it that your gun has to be field proven and tested but you are not? Have you asked if you can try anyone's M1A or similar? I said on the other forum and I will say it here too. I am a HUGE fan of my M1A because of all the aftermarket and custom features available. This rifle is no longer "just another M1A" Its MY M1A. I can understand that you think you know what you want... I do it all the time. But go out and shoot one. handle it. You WILL find what you are looking for. If your ever in Calgary you can try mine out.
Sorry, perhaps you misread me as I agree with everything you just said.
My post was sarcasm aimed back at those who are telling me that I don't need the rifle I am looking for. I am not going to apologize anymore for wanting to go find a military fielded, designated marksman rifle, in as close to the same configuration as its field service use as I can make it.
Many people here have been very helpful but a few have come onto this thread apparently with no other agenda than to attack me for wanting to buy this rifle, which is really, really ironic.
Steve Janes
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Calgary/Ontario
IMO This whole Swiss POI shift thing is a complete myth, and things like this unfortunately are worse than wildfire on forums like this. Too many couch potatoes with Safe Queens if ya ask me.
I have fired over 3000 rounds down range with one of my three Swiss Arms Rifles, NONE, have ever had any POI shift like the people on this forum refer too.
There is no difference when firing off the the bi-pod, the magazine, or resting on a sandbag, there is no need to "Be really careful where you hold the hand guard" as some may say, and you don't need to "Be sure you hold the rifle/hand guard the same way every time" as people on this forum claim. Using standard iron sights, I can and do shoot 5 rounds in 10 seconds into a 2 inch group at 100 yards with various cheap 55gr FMJ, using the mag, the bi-pod or a sand bag as a rest and there is no shifting of POI at all.
I don't think there is a military on the face of this planet that would issue a Rifle that had wondering zero issues and POI issues such as people on this forum speak of. Especially a nation of trained shooters like Switzerland. It's simply ludicrous.
Now I know people will chime in on how I'm wrong. But this is just my experience, and I don't think it's just luck, the Swiss Arms is simply a awesome, accurate, reliable rifle, THAT HAS NO f**kING NEED FOR A FREE FLOATING BARREL/HAND GUARD
Just my two cents!
Now while the Swiss Arms is a awesome option, I gotta agree with buddy above, an M1A would be exactly what your looking for, but genuine Springfield, not Norinco garbage.
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Dohhunter
Why is it that your gun has to be field proven and tested but you are not? Have you asked if you can try anyone's M1A or similar? I said on the other forum and I will say it here too. I am a HUGE fan of my M1A because of all the aftermarket and custom features available. This rifle is no longer "just another M1A" Its MY M1A. I can understand that you think you know what you want... I do it all the time. But go out and shoot one. handle it. You WILL find what you are looking for. If your ever in Calgary you can try mine out.
Thanks, I am pretty sold on the M1A honestly. My only remaining question is whether it should be the 1st or the 2nd. I'm kind of persuaded that I should start with a lower caliber 5.56 rifle, but I imagine there is an M1A in my future.
I have been dreaming about it haha.
I wish I had unlimited wallet
