Non-restricted firearms registration for Quebec customer

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johnone said:
How can we explain it to your satisfaction ???? What can we say that will satisfy you ?? Would you kindly inform me as to the alternative ?? If we are not to follow the law what are we to do ??
John
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Two question were asked:

Have you (ie. Marstar) ever done a non-restricted transfer and/or registration for firearm sold to Quebec's customer, *after* the destriction of the LGR ?
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]If yes, are you pursuing such registration ?
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These are both yes-no question (as I already mentionned), not five Ws question. The first has been implicitly answered, but I am still not sure about the second. Your answers are rather confusing.
 
John...
I suspect that YOU don't have to register the gun on behalf of the buyer, but the buyer does (did) upon receipt of the firearm? Is that the case? In which case the OP needs to get instructions from RCMP. However, I'd suggest they wait - the previous round of appeals has failed and if Qc takes it to the supreme court (and if SC hears it) then the quebec registry will be gone. Kinda like how, when you buy something in "no provincial sales tax" Alberta and drive it home to Saskatchewan, you're supposed to contact the Sask Govt and tell them you owe them provincial sales tax.


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Well, here's my take.
Marstars goes out of their way to bring in product no one else does.
At a price better than most could ever hope for.
In a country that is for the most part 'firearms unfriendly' and difficult to run business in...an industry where it is better to be safe than sorry.
An ya'all are whining over a point of contention that really matters nada...except in a philosophical 'how do you read the fineprint'.
Personally...if I was John (and I don't want to offend you John)...I tell you all to piss up rope...or open iup your own business and see how it goes.
 
bobtodrick said:
Well, here's my take.
Marstars goes out of their way to bring in product no one else does.
At a price better than most could ever hope for.
In a country that is for the most part 'firearms unfriendly' and difficult to run business in...an industry where it is better to be safe than sorry.
An ya'all are whining over a point of contention that really matters nada...except in a philosophical 'how do you read the fineprint'.
Personally...if I was John (and I don't want to offend you John)...I tell you all to piss up rope...or open iup your own business and see how it goes.
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..that's your opinion and you are entitled to it.
As a consumer I am free to choose where I shop. My decisions are affected by things like store policies and the manner in which that business responds to their customers.
..and for the record, I do own my own business and I would never respond to a customers questions in that manner.
 
PLEASE take a moment to read;
Changes to business requirements for non-restricted firearms registration

- Revision -
Special Bulletin for Businesses No. 79

May 25, 2012
Snapshot

Implementation of Bill C-19, the Ending the Long-Gun Registry Act.
Implications

The federal government amended the Criminal Code and the Firearms Act to eliminate the requirement to register non-restricted firearms as of April 5, 2012.

However, until further notice, due to a Quebec Superior Court order, Quebec residents are still required to register non-restricted firearms with the RCMP Canadian Firearms Program (CFP). Quebec businesses must also continue to register non-restricted firearms and record transfers of these firearms.

The interlocutory injunction means that the transfer of a non-restricted firearm entirely within Quebec (buyer and seller residents of Quebec) will continue to follow the normal transfer process of a non-restricted registered firearm.

However, in the case of a bi-provincial transfer of a non-restricted firearm involving a Quebec resident:

Seller = Non-Quebec resident / Buyer = Quebec resident: The seller is not required to report this transaction to the CFP. The buyer will be instructed to register the firearm via the registration process and not the transfer process (similar to the process for an importation of a new firearm). The registration record for the non-Quebec seller will be expired and eventually deleted.

Seller = Quebec resident / Buyer = Non-Quebec resident: When the Quebec seller informs the CFP of the transaction, the CFP will expire the Quebec registration certificate with a comment that the firearm has been sold (transferred) to a person/business not residing in Quebec. No information will be retained on the buyer.

Note for Quebec businesses only:

In order to facilitate high volume transfer transactions from a Quebec business to a non-Quebec business (such as the transfer of more than 10 firearms at a time), it is recommended that the business lists the firearms to be transferred in a spreadsheet format, and email this spreadsheet directly to: cfrimport_group@rcmp-grc.gc.ca. Please ensure this spreadsheet includes the Registration Certificate Number and the Firearms Identification Number of the firearms being transferred.

Individuals and businesses purchasing or otherwise acquiring firearms are still responsible for having a firearms licence, and businesses are still required to verify a purchaser’s licence. Businesses can still call the CFP’s toll-free number to confirm the validity of a purchaser’s licence before making a sale.

Reminders for Businesses:

When you call to check the validity of your Buyer’s Possession and Acquisition Licence, you will be required to provide the buyer’s licence number, name and date of birth.
Remember to update your employee list.

For more information, please contact the RCMP Canadian Firearms Program.

THIS is the latest set of instructions, blue is my emphasis....
John
 
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Seller = Non-Quebec resident ( MARSTAR ) / Buyer = ( ME ) Quebec resident: The seller ( MARSTAR ) is not required to report this transaction to the CFP. The buyer will be instructed to register the firearm via the registration process and not the transfer process (similar to the process for an importation of a new firearm). The registration record for the non-Quebec seller will be expired and eventually deleted.
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So YOU don't have to register the NR firearm for your customers right ??
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But ANYWAY, this was may 25 2012, more then 1 year ago, we are in july 2013 now !!!
 
johnone said:
PLEASE take a moment to read;
Changes to business requirements for non-restricted firearms registration

- Revision -
Special Bulletin for Businesses No. 79

May 25, 2012
Snapshot

Implementation of Bill C-19, the Ending the Long-Gun Registry Act.
Implications

The federal government amended the Criminal Code and the Firearms Act to eliminate the requirement to register non-restricted firearms as of April 5, 2012.

However, until further notice, due to a Quebec Superior Court order, Quebec residents are still required to register non-restricted firearms with the RCMP Canadian Firearms Program (CFP). Quebec businesses must also continue to register non-restricted firearms and record transfers of these firearms.

The interlocutory injunction means that the transfer of a non-restricted firearm entirely within Quebec (buyer and seller residents of Quebec) will continue to follow the normal transfer process of a non-restricted registered firearm.

However, in the case of a bi-provincial transfer of a non-restricted firearm involving a Quebec resident:

Seller = Non-Quebec resident / Buyer = Quebec resident: The seller is not required to report this transaction to the CFP. The buyer will be instructed to register the firearm via the registration process and not the transfer process (similar to the process for an importation of a new firearm). The registration record for the non-Quebec seller will be expired and eventually deleted.

Seller = Quebec resident / Buyer = Non-Quebec resident: When the Quebec seller informs the CFP of the transaction, the CFP will expire the Quebec registration certificate with a comment that the firearm has been sold (transferred) to a person/business not residing in Quebec. No information will be retained on the buyer.

Note for Quebec businesses only:

In order to facilitate high volume transfer transactions from a Quebec business to a non-Quebec business (such as the transfer of more than 10 firearms at a time), it is recommended that the business lists the firearms to be transferred in a spreadsheet format, and email this spreadsheet directly to: cfrimport_group@rcmp-grc.gc.ca. Please ensure this spreadsheet includes the Registration Certificate Number and the Firearms Identification Number of the firearms being transferred.

Individuals and businesses purchasing or otherwise acquiring firearms are still responsible for having a firearms licence, and businesses are still required to verify a purchaser’s licence. Businesses can still call the CFP’s toll-free number to confirm the validity of a purchaser’s licence before making a sale.

Reminders for Businesses:

When you call to check the validity of your Buyer’s Possession and Acquisition Licence, you will be required to provide the buyer’s licence number, name and date of birth.
Remember to update your employee list.

For more information, please contact the RCMP Canadian Firearms Program.
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Yes, we are aware of what the law requires....i.e. that as an Ontario business you are not required to register a firearm being sold to a Quebec resident...the onus is on the buyer. The OP was asking you to clarify your position on the matter..asking you to state what your policy is.
For some reason, you are still unwilling to do this.
I'm not sure why that is....or why you do it in the first place. Your response of having to follow the law obviously doesn't hold any water.
 
Marstar: never again.

You did register guns against the will of your customers. It is not required by the law you just provided, and no one else did.
 
Wow...

This thread is a new low for CGN. I do not seem to have any difficulty comprehending the issue or the responses. I felt that the answer was given no less than 3 times, yet people are still bleating on. I can sense John's frustration, because no matter what he post, someone will misinterpret it and go off on a Marstar hater rant.

I am surprised by the relative lack of intelligence in here.
 
X0ra;
Have you (ie. Marstar) ever done a non-restricted transfer YES

and/or registration for firearm YES


sold to Quebec's customer, YES


*after* the destriction of the LGR ? YES

If yes, are you pursuing such registration ? NO

Your requested Yes or no replies...
John
 
kaos013 said:
Since the rest of Canada stopped their registry it has been the responsibility of the purchaser in Quebec to register a NR firearm not the seller. Nothing is different now
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PLEASE look up the various bulletins of the day....
John
 
pomelum said:
Marstar registered one of my relative SKS buy this winter.
i can confirm this.

note; the customer didn't ask for this neither, when the person called to get the rifle registered
the RCMP or whatever told him it was already done.
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That was last winter, look up the policies of the day for that period of time
John
 
Pule said:
+1 on getting an actual statement from marstar. Curious as to why they would do something against the customer
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Now we are against the customer because we were following the rules of the day ??
You simply can't win for losing

LETS make it very clear, right here, right now.... Marstar has always, does now, and will always follow the various laws, rules and directives as issued by the CFC?CFO.... So if by doing so wer become the people who act against our customers, I APOLOGIZE
John
 
patric25 said:
If Marstar make a public statement for registering non-restricted, I will boycott them. Anyway, I think with two statements from Québec customers I will boycott them.

sewktbk: this is exactly why I am not able to believe they are doing it...
This situation is unbelievable, with 2 persons with the same problem.
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Thats what I like a person who makes up his mind before knowing all the facts....John
 
Just to clarify...
Am I to understand then that Marstar is no longer registering non-restricted long guns for a buyer that resides in Quebec?
 
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