Norinco 1911 Round Count
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I can't believe I read this whole thread. Who cares which one is better? More often its the operator and not the hardware. I can barely hit the ground with my norc 1911C but it doesn't mean it's innaccurate. I have had more experienced people put great groups in with it.
Also The original post was for round counts and not opinions on norcs. Mine has fed more than 1600 with not one issue. It was mostly american eagles but now its reloads.
Also The original post was for round counts and not opinions on norcs. Mine has fed more than 1600 with not one issue. It was mostly american eagles but now its reloads.
I forget who asked why we had to count rounds with Norks (or any other gun).
Personally I do it to keep track of replacing springs. It's not a bad idea if you are one of those guys who buys, shoots for a bit then wants something different, lets the buyer get an idea of what the gun has seen for use.
Personally I do it to keep track of replacing springs. It's not a bad idea if you are one of those guys who buys, shoots for a bit then wants something different, lets the buyer get an idea of what the gun has seen for use.
Thanks Ron for responding as you did. Troops to the rescue!
Sorry to drag you into this but I wish the monitors would take your post and make a sticky out of it. Save a lot on nonsense discussion in the future. IF the Norinco NP44 ever gets into this country, one of two things will happen either we will see the end of entry level N.A. production guns or a substantive price drop.
By the way love your Nork - work of art.
Take Care,
Bob
Sorry to drag you into this but I wish the monitors would take your post and make a sticky out of it. Save a lot on nonsense discussion in the future. IF the Norinco NP44 ever gets into this country, one of two things will happen either we will see the end of entry level N.A. production guns or a substantive price drop.
By the way love your Nork - work of art.
Take Care,
Bob
I am not convinced.
I am not convinced. I have just ordered a Kimber and I did not mind the extra dollars. However nobody will ever convince me no matter what is said that Norinco is the same quality as some of the American brands like Colt. Springfield, STI,SVI , Wilson ,etc…etc .. I know many of my friends who have bought Norinco and have all sold their them.
I understand that some people like them, and that is fine. However I do not believe that they can compare with North American standards.
I guess if you buy a Norinco just for the frame and slide that is another story. But then why not buy Caspian? I believe that if you want a Norinco to shoot well it is a money pit.
There for one would be better off with a North American brand name.
However that is only my opinion..
I am not convinced. I have just ordered a Kimber and I did not mind the extra dollars. However nobody will ever convince me no matter what is said that Norinco is the same quality as some of the American brands like Colt. Springfield, STI,SVI , Wilson ,etc…etc .. I know many of my friends who have bought Norinco and have all sold their them.
I understand that some people like them, and that is fine. However I do not believe that they can compare with North American standards.
I guess if you buy a Norinco just for the frame and slide that is another story. But then why not buy Caspian? I believe that if you want a Norinco to shoot well it is a money pit.
There for one would be better off with a North American brand name.
However that is only my opinion..
cruncher said:
See, that's the problem. Nobody is saying that a Norc is equal to a Kimber or an STI. What we are saying is that they are a basic, GI spec pistol which shoots accordingly, and contrary to the anti-Norc propaganda they do not fly apart into a billion pieces.
1851 Navy
Yup you nailed it. Frankly, where the line does meet is when you compare a Colt or Springfield mil-spec repro gun or a Colt WW11 era gun with the Norincos. That is where there is no comparison - the Norks are much better guns, far better steel in them particularily if you are talking WW11 1911's. Those bugns are best left as is mounted in a display case.
As far as being a money pit, if you buy the Norinco for $325 and add $500 in upgrades you are still well under a comparitively decked out Kimber or Colt with a gun that is every bit the equal.
Cruncher I am at least happy you have got over the idea that Norincos are made with inferior steel. Not much more of a leap to accept the fact Norks are all forged and with little work (Trigger job and new sights) make excellent guns for playing the games or self defense.
Take Care
Yup you nailed it. Frankly, where the line does meet is when you compare a Colt or Springfield mil-spec repro gun or a Colt WW11 era gun with the Norincos. That is where there is no comparison - the Norks are much better guns, far better steel in them particularily if you are talking WW11 1911's. Those bugns are best left as is mounted in a display case.
As far as being a money pit, if you buy the Norinco for $325 and add $500 in upgrades you are still well under a comparitively decked out Kimber or Colt with a gun that is every bit the equal.
Cruncher I am at least happy you have got over the idea that Norincos are made with inferior steel. Not much more of a leap to accept the fact Norks are all forged and with little work (Trigger job and new sights) make excellent guns for playing the games or self defense.
Take Care
Norinco is a much better gun than Colt's milspec repro?Canuck44 said:
Colt's WWI and WWII repros are $1400+ custom shop guns. If you seriously think that a roughly finished Norinco made by some Chinese peasant is better than this, you are dreaming:
Even Springfield Milspec is a much better gun. At least it will work reliably right out of the box.
Come on guys, I know that you like your Norincos but claiming that a $300 Chinese gun is better than brand new Colts and Springfields is a little absurd. What's next – Kia Rio being a better sports car than Porsche 911 GT2?
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Well, first of all basic Springfields and basic new production Colts are very different guns, with Colt being of higher quality and significantly more expensive, so it's wrong to put them in the same category like Canuck44 did.
What does Springfield GI have that Norinco does not? For one thing, better fit and finish. Look at the two close-up pictures below. The first picture shows Springfield GI and Milspec. Notice the uniformly applied finish, proper machining, lack of tool marks and crisp roll marks. The second picture is a Norinco. Notice the crappy finish, rough/uneven roll mark on the slide, abundance of tool marks, incorrectly machined relief cut and slide serrations that look like they've been made by a drunken baboon.
As you can see, Norinco is a much cruder gun. Obviously, these are two individual samples and there may be variations in quality among both manufacturers. However, every Norinco pistol that I’ve ever seen had rough fit and finish that would be considered unacceptable in a higher-priced firearm.
Also, there's the question of reliability. I have no personal experience with Springfields but from what I hear they have a pretty decent reputation. Norincos, on the other hand, are hit or miss at best and a lot of people seem to have problems with theirs.
What does Springfield GI have that Norinco does not? For one thing, better fit and finish. Look at the two close-up pictures below. The first picture shows Springfield GI and Milspec. Notice the uniformly applied finish, proper machining, lack of tool marks and crisp roll marks. The second picture is a Norinco. Notice the crappy finish, rough/uneven roll mark on the slide, abundance of tool marks, incorrectly machined relief cut and slide serrations that look like they've been made by a drunken baboon.
As you can see, Norinco is a much cruder gun. Obviously, these are two individual samples and there may be variations in quality among both manufacturers. However, every Norinco pistol that I’ve ever seen had rough fit and finish that would be considered unacceptable in a higher-priced firearm.
Also, there's the question of reliability. I have no personal experience with Springfields but from what I hear they have a pretty decent reputation. Norincos, on the other hand, are hit or miss at best and a lot of people seem to have problems with theirs.
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Actually, I asked what the Springer does better than the Norc, ie from a functional standpoint. They're both basic 1911's without all the greeblies and doodads that modern shooters expect on a pistol. The Norcs finish is a dead horse that everybody agrees on, although that's a particularly horrible pic of the Norc.
But since we're googling "Springfield Mil Spec," Here's what I came up with:
Note that the author....*gasp*....compares it favorably to his old Norc.
But since we're googling "Springfield Mil Spec," Here's what I came up with:
Note that the author....*gasp*....compares it favorably to his old Norc.
That's one person's opinion. While you were fishing for that one particular thread, you probably ignored a dozen others that were praising the Milspec. And I'm pretty sure that you weren't trying very hard to find negative opinions on the Norinco. There's been quite a few posted on this board.1851 Navy said:Note that the author....*gasp*....compares it favorably to his old Norc.
By the way, the question "what does gun X do better than Norinco" is a rather pointless one. In the hands of an average shooter, Norinco does exactly the same thing that a $3000+ Les Baer or Ed Brown would do – it shoots in the general direction of where it is pointed. However, most people would agree that this does not make Norinco comparable to a high-priced custom guns (or even a Springfield GI).
Norincos are roughly finished, for sure. They are also the toughest 1911's steel wise .,I have worked on. Put a norinco 1911 and a Kimber or Sti or Colt series 80 sid by side and clamp them in a big machinst vise. Tighten the handle all you can. Wanna guess which one will work, and which one won't after this abuse?
I believe Norinco uses the same type of steel in their 1911's as they use in their m-305's.
I believe Norinco uses the same type of steel in their 1911's as they use in their m-305's.
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capp325
If you would pay $1,400 for a Colt repro gun you have more money than brains! You obviously don't like Norincos so don't buy one. But my untouched Norinco A1 has over 1K rounds through it with no FTF. Go to 1911org site and get hold of Careless - he bought the Colt repro gun and after sending it back to Colt twice sold it. Had nothing but FTF problems with the gun.
If you have a mil-spec Colt or Springfield take it to a range and post a target 15 yards out. I'll be happy to post one. Use a rest and we will see what the guns can do.
Take Care
If you would pay $1,400 for a Colt repro gun you have more money than brains! You obviously don't like Norincos so don't buy one. But my untouched Norinco A1 has over 1K rounds through it with no FTF. Go to 1911org site and get hold of Careless - he bought the Colt repro gun and after sending it back to Colt twice sold it. Had nothing but FTF problems with the gun.
If you have a mil-spec Colt or Springfield take it to a range and post a target 15 yards out. I'll be happy to post one. Use a rest and we will see what the guns can do.
Take Care
Lol all this is bulls**t....
First off not all Norcs are created equal, ive got one of the oldest ones out there in .45 parkerized. The fit and finish is flawless. The only negative are the orange dot sites and the weakness of the phosphate coating that is applied. It doesnt withstand some strong solvents as well as some more robust phosphates.
There are no machine marks. It does not look like it has been assembled by some drunken peasant.
Frankly todays Colts are garbage, lacking the quality that they had even a few years ago. Kimber gets slammed regularily. I like STI and Baer alot, but they are what they are and quite pricey. On the Norks the best advice is that it pays to examine a few, as Ive noted alot of the Blued ones and newer ones seem somewhat sloppier than the older parkerized ones.
For an out of the box fucntional .45 the Norc for the money is superior in quality and fucntionality over any north america 1911 pistol bar none.
Frankly you dont get good dollar value for a basic 1911 Govt .45 from the other manufacturers.
BTW...for those who get all bent and have siezures at the thought of Norinco...heres some advice..
DONT BUY ONE.
First off not all Norcs are created equal, ive got one of the oldest ones out there in .45 parkerized. The fit and finish is flawless. The only negative are the orange dot sites and the weakness of the phosphate coating that is applied. It doesnt withstand some strong solvents as well as some more robust phosphates.
There are no machine marks. It does not look like it has been assembled by some drunken peasant.
Frankly todays Colts are garbage, lacking the quality that they had even a few years ago. Kimber gets slammed regularily. I like STI and Baer alot, but they are what they are and quite pricey. On the Norks the best advice is that it pays to examine a few, as Ive noted alot of the Blued ones and newer ones seem somewhat sloppier than the older parkerized ones.
For an out of the box fucntional .45 the Norc for the money is superior in quality and fucntionality over any north america 1911 pistol bar none.
Frankly you dont get good dollar value for a basic 1911 Govt .45 from the other manufacturers.
BTW...for those who get all bent and have siezures at the thought of Norinco...heres some advice..
DONT BUY ONE.
