Norinco 311 Rifle

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667 said:
Okay... completely off topic, but this really frosts my a**:p

Noone "builds" their friggin' AR.
You buy an assortment of parts and you assemble yourself a rifle... far from "building"

Now... get yourself a raw block of whatever and fabricate everything and I'll agree... You "built" an AR.

Oh... and Zorak, don't let these guys bug ya... I know what it's like to be so high speed low drag that noone understands you
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I once help a friend assemble a house.:p
 
I've "assembled" both my AR's, the 9mm and the heavy barrel .223. Lots more fun than buying the finished product. As to scratch building, well, I don't have a rifleing machine in my basement, and while I could machine uppers and lowers, why bother at the price they are? Call it building, assembling or using the force, I don't care, it's fun picking out the parts you want, grip, butt stock, fore stock, barrel, sights what have you and making YOUR rifle. It's the saving grace of the AR to me, the only thing I really like about the platform is it's modularity...:dancingbanana:
 
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When the original ARs and M16s were employed, it was still very new, people weren't familiar not had proper instruction. Additionally, many of the troops were drafted, some might have little or no understanding of firearms. Ideally, all troops would be obsessed with make sure their gear is in order and safe.

Don't know...when it doesn't go bang: tap, rack, bang and/or cover before I start looking into the chamber and tapping the forward assist?
 
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Do the guys who assemble AR-15s in the factory have to have also milled the receivers to be "builders?" If the machinist doesn't add the other parts, is he not a builder?

Choose your word, but I have built several ARs, and several of those several times.
 
Built or assembled Wtf, if you have put together a rifle from components and it works I think thats a step above walking into a shop, tossing down cash, and walking out with a new toy. By doing it yourself you will have intimate knowledge of how it works and how to keep it functioning. Sure buying a rifle, stripping and cleaning is a great way to learn your weapon, but having put it together yourself I say good on ya ( with or without a forward assist )
 
yeah well we are talking about the same guy who #####ed in about a hundred posts... all about people like me wanting to use a coffee maker at the range.

Build, assembled, bought and had midgets glue it together who cares..If it works and you like it, isnt that enough?
 
CobraGT said:
Here's mine... I don't know if I can in good conscience still call it a Norinco :p

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Hey Cobra do youwear those tactical red pumps in the background when you go shooting? Must be quite a site!!!!

Just kidding buddy! Great looking rifle.
 
jonnynitro said:
Hey Cobra do youwear those tactical red pumps in the background when you go shooting? Must be quite a site!!!!

Just kidding buddy! Great looking rifle.
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Bwaaaa hahahahah, I blew tea out my nostrils when I read that post! Pardon me while I go get something to mop off my keyboard with.

And it is a good looking rifle, but pumps man? flats are way more "tactical"
 
I have a CQ311 and I like it. Its accurate, never jammed on me. Bought 400 rounds of eagle 55 gr. and blasted away one day. No problem. Brought my other norc out and it got warm too. :)
 
USP said:
Hey Zorak... try and be open minded..theres lots of good features about the CQ311 that make it a great entry level gun for the cheapos or those who want an AR type without having to pay much.

I dont get this whole forward assist thing.. f**k if it doesnt work... put it back in the range bag and go home.. Whats the problem?
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Look guys, I said it is fine. It's a fine casual gun. I would just suggest that what I was taught by very experienced people suggests that using the FA is the right thing to do at times. It's in the manual. I also mentioned that if you want a rifle where your life depends on it during hard times, you would want this feature. In the extreme, you would not have the option to put it in the bag and take it home. That is all. I am no army whiz, I was just taught by some of the best. Over and over again they drilled their ideology into me and I believe it. My personal belief is that an assault weapon should be as simple, durable, robust and fully functional as possible. Removing these features or increasing the complexity of a weapon may make it more likely to fail. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I have seen pink AR 15s. That's great. I will follow what I was taught by my instructors. If you don't think a forward assist is a useful feature, please write DND and ask them to amend the training of our soldiers so they don't waste time practicing useless drills. If you feel a collapsable butt end of a rifle is just as effective for punting someone as with a full stock, then go ahead and slug them with it. If you feel a shorter barrel makes you more accurate up close and don't care about longer range, that's fine too. For me, the regular M-16 worked just fine and we never had any problem with it inside or out. Best regards.
 
Winz said:
When the original ARs and M16s were employed, it was still very new, people weren't familiar not had proper instruction. Additionally, many of the troops were drafted, some might have little or no understanding of firearms. Ideally, all troops would be obsessed with make sure their gear is in order and safe.

Don't know...when it doesn't go bang: tap, rack, bang and/or cover before I start looking into the chamber and tapping the forward assist?
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Look Winz, infantry soldier know how rifles work. They are not stupid. As for you, I can send you a copy of the manual if you'd like.
 
LeftFootOfDoom said:
zorak dude:

Unless you are the chief instructor for the JTF, I would highly recommend that you end the "what I learned in the army" lectures.

Theres lots of members here who have gone through the army and know quite a bit more than you will ever know.

Enter the forum as a new user with an open ear and you will learn quite alot about many different wpns platforms. Spout off like some chairborne wannabe adminclerk commando and be written off as some assfisting loutmouth troll.

Your opinions on the 311 have been heard by the members and probably ignored. There are enough people who have written positive reviews given cost vs product that those that want one but cant afford some 1k+ rifle will get this.

Why dont you offer opinions on the norc m14? How crappy is it compared to the US copies??

LFOD <-doesnt own an ar/311
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Thanks for the tip! This must be where all the ex-airborne hang out, so I'll just calm down. What I learned in the army was to do what I was instructed by experienced troops. Part of that was drills they taught me, and manuals to read. If you were skillful in reading, you would note I said it is a fine weapon and that it is a good casual shooter. Instead you seem to have invented an argument for me that I have not made. You can insult me all you want, that's fine. I know you are paper thin. I suppose I can learn about all sorts of guns. That's nice too. I have been shooting various firearms for about 25 years, but after all that time I would say I am only proficient on one rifle. My opinion of the Norc is that it is probably a fine gun too. The word on the board here is that it is actually better made then most models from the US as it has a hammer forged reciever as opposed to the cast steel used by Springfield. Although you are obviously trying to bait me on this one, I'd say you've missed the mark. I have no opinion on it as I have never tried one of any build. I am currently looking for GI lit on the model so I can learn my drills if I buy one. After a few weeks of drill and practice, and a few hundred thousand rounds of practice and use, I'll have an opinion and get back to you.
 
Holy Christ! Start another frackin' thread to debate this whole foreward assist ####. How about we sum this up and let it pass?

CQ311 = good starter AR that is usually accurate and quite reliable as well as being inexpensive

F Assist = Probably there to assist the bolt but it seems to specialize in putting a bug up the asses of people it comes into contact with

There, did I miss anything or leave anyone out?
 
FWIW No one is teaching the forward assist in higher training.

Yeah true the CF pam mentions it -- and guys going thru battleschool will be taught that way. However going further in the CF unless your teaching a lesson to troops or on a course - no one cares.

Secondly in schools that teach the higher elements of the CF (currently BlackWater and formerly Mid-South) they are not teaching use the FA.

All IA's go to TAP-RACK-BANG
Further IA's come off failure of IA 1.


Zorak -- unless you can qualify you comments and how you are exceptionally skilled with the system I suggest you STFU.
 
KevinB said:
FWIW No one is teaching the forward assist in higher training.

Yeah true the CF pam mentions it -- and guys going thru battleschool will be taught that way.
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It doesn't "mention" it, it's orders. They don't teach it in higher training because guys already know it from TQ 1, 2, 3. Why would they teach guys who already know what to do how to do it over again? You're not still getting shoe-tying lessons are you (or are you?)
 
slicknick said:
Holy Christ! Start another frackin' thread to debate this whole foreward assist s**t. How about we sum this up and let it pass?

CQ311 = good starter AR that is usually accurate and quite reliable as well as being inexpensive

F Assist = Probably there to assist the bolt but it seems to specialize in putting a bug up the asses of people it comes into contact with

There, did I miss anything or leave anyone out?
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A fine summary and I guess we can all happily resign with our predjudices intact.
 
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