Reality break: I would consider purchasing a higher quality Springfield Armoury produced M1A rifle,(this does presuppose that it would be higher quality, sadly the cast in Canada/Made in Brazil receivers are not to spec, many other parts suck too) if they were as much as twice the price of a Norinco, but for crying out loud, they are five times more for an out of spec receiver, no thanks.
Norinco Ethics (copyrights)?
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I will give $10,000 to anyone who lives in Canada and can go a full year without buying or using anything "made in China" - you'll be baking your own breed and knitting your own underwear if you try. Most of what you own is from China - do an audit and try and prove it wrong - why the f**k does anyone care if their firearm is from China? As someone has said, it’s the one product you can use against them when they invade.
If you had a firearm from China and "sold" it because your conscience told you so then your "conscience" is weak cause all you did was "sell" the problem to someone else...
Don't want to support China don't buy anything to begin with. Once you have bought it, it’s too late. You have to not buy it to start with if it's going hurt China. And you have to take it out of the system if you don't want it to hurt other manufacturers, once someone else buys it from you, you take away a firearm purchase that could been to a non-Chinese make.
Really the whole thing is a crock and is just a stupid symbolic gesture that's all smoke and mirrors. Similiar to how I find it funny that Cuba, the evil local communist country has had a (U.S) trade embargo all these years, with U.S politicians still cranking out the rhetoric (with Cuban cigars in their mouths). Yet at the same time China the distant evil communist country was fair game for trade, a country much more willing to melt down it citizens to sell us shoe polish. It’s all a crock. Just remember that in order for you to afford ten pairs of shoes a 100 little kids work on them who have none.
Food for thought. For the record I own 2 norcs - but I've always sleep poorly anyway.
If you had a firearm from China and "sold" it because your conscience told you so then your "conscience" is weak cause all you did was "sell" the problem to someone else...
Don't want to support China don't buy anything to begin with. Once you have bought it, it’s too late. You have to not buy it to start with if it's going hurt China. And you have to take it out of the system if you don't want it to hurt other manufacturers, once someone else buys it from you, you take away a firearm purchase that could been to a non-Chinese make.Really the whole thing is a crock and is just a stupid symbolic gesture that's all smoke and mirrors. Similiar to how I find it funny that Cuba, the evil local communist country has had a (U.S) trade embargo all these years, with U.S politicians still cranking out the rhetoric (with Cuban cigars in their mouths). Yet at the same time China the distant evil communist country was fair game for trade, a country much more willing to melt down it citizens to sell us shoe polish. It’s all a crock. Just remember that in order for you to afford ten pairs of shoes a 100 little kids work on them who have none.
Food for thought. For the record I own 2 norcs - but I've always sleep poorly anyway.
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The problem is not Norinco... hell, they are a Chinese company and always have been. They represent what Canadian companies should be doing.
The problem with the world today is that thousands of companies and their interests all want profit at any cost. Many companies in N.America pick-up and move to China to get it done cheaper; who cares if the workers lose their jobs here.
Well, we'll be caring in a few more decades - when our living standards drop somewhere between present-day Canada and present-day China.
Get ready for the "Senior Offenders Act" for all the old timers who are stealing to survive.
The problem with the world today is that thousands of companies and their interests all want profit at any cost. Many companies in N.America pick-up and move to China to get it done cheaper; who cares if the workers lose their jobs here.
Well, we'll be caring in a few more decades - when our living standards drop somewhere between present-day Canada and present-day China.
Get ready for the "Senior Offenders Act" for all the old timers who are stealing to survive.
Face it ...
North America has already lost the world to China.
Just ask IBM who makes their computers?
and we won't even go into the Harley situation, will we?
the young Chinese are simply willing to work a lot harder for a lot less, than will our overpaid, underworked, North American young workers. This is not racism or agism, this is a simple fact. Last weekend I almost broke out laughing at this classic ...
a fit looking kid in his twenties panhandling on a corner with TWO signs in two different windows saying "Help Wanted". Yep, it seems a lot of the kids today would rather panhandle than demean themselves with "Manual Labor".
And speaking of Manuel ...
here on Vancouver Island we could not get enough local farm workers for some of the crops ... so we had to import Mexicans. Can't find any farm workers in Victoria, but you sure don't have a problem finding a hundred panhandlers downtown on any given sunny day.
A few years ago I decided to become a computer Geek. The 2 1/2 yr. Computer Systems Technologist course started with about 130 people, the vast majority of them smart young kids who grew up with computers. Then there was about a half dozen or so "old farts" like myself, and three Chinese students, one of whom did not even speaka da english.
2 1/2 years later, 17 people graduated off that course. About a half dozen old farts like myself, three Chinese students, and a handful of young Canadian kids who actually stopped playing video games, drinking, and screwing around long enough to stick it out.
If they want to get along in the brave new world, our grandchildren will be learning Madarin. Wait a minute ... to be on the safe side, maybe you and your children should start those Community College classes in Chinese right FFnnn NOW!!
Don't need no tinfoil hats to see this one coming.
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North America has already lost the world to China.
Just ask IBM who makes their computers?
and we won't even go into the Harley situation, will we?
the young Chinese are simply willing to work a lot harder for a lot less, than will our overpaid, underworked, North American young workers. This is not racism or agism, this is a simple fact. Last weekend I almost broke out laughing at this classic ...
a fit looking kid in his twenties panhandling on a corner with TWO signs in two different windows saying "Help Wanted". Yep, it seems a lot of the kids today would rather panhandle than demean themselves with "Manual Labor".
And speaking of Manuel ...
here on Vancouver Island we could not get enough local farm workers for some of the crops ... so we had to import Mexicans. Can't find any farm workers in Victoria, but you sure don't have a problem finding a hundred panhandlers downtown on any given sunny day.
A few years ago I decided to become a computer Geek. The 2 1/2 yr. Computer Systems Technologist course started with about 130 people, the vast majority of them smart young kids who grew up with computers. Then there was about a half dozen or so "old farts" like myself, and three Chinese students, one of whom did not even speaka da english.
2 1/2 years later, 17 people graduated off that course. About a half dozen old farts like myself, three Chinese students, and a handful of young Canadian kids who actually stopped playing video games, drinking, and screwing around long enough to stick it out.
If they want to get along in the brave new world, our grandchildren will be learning Madarin. Wait a minute ... to be on the safe side, maybe you and your children should start those Community College classes in Chinese right FFnnn NOW!!
Don't need no tinfoil hats to see this one coming.
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Sort of, but that was Black powder. The modern smokeless gun powder was invented in Europe (and so was the small arm for that matter)
Man, you got it. The world is yours in Chinese speaking asia if you're a honkie and can communicate with the locals. Believe it or not, in spite of the west farming everything out to the middle kingdom, they still generally look up to us. There is a good living over here for someone who can speak both languages fluently.
As far as buying Norc goes, I like to look on the bright side. They are employing a lot of people in jobs far better than some of the other stuff people do in China for wages(around 5 bucks per 12+ hour day, FWIW).
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I don't think its all that bad folks. Keep in mind its a natural progression in any developing country that the more capitalism takes root, with the growing middle class, eventually things change. Whether through revolt, revolution or peaceable development, lots of ways. But look how they have come over the last 15 years alone.
Does anyone *really* think that things will always be cheap coming out of China? Not likely. Remember Japan back in the 50's and 60's, CRAP, all crap. TIme travel back and ask someone about 'Made in Japan'. Fast forward to today....
Same with China, it will happen. It may take longer because of their size and population, but things will change, the Chinese trough won't be like this forever. They won't take over the world because they will always be cheaper, one day they will be in the same boat we are, all their factories will one day be outsourced to......Libya or....Canada
Does anyone *really* think that things will always be cheap coming out of China? Not likely. Remember Japan back in the 50's and 60's, CRAP, all crap. TIme travel back and ask someone about 'Made in Japan'. Fast forward to today....
Same with China, it will happen. It may take longer because of their size and population, but things will change, the Chinese trough won't be like this forever. They won't take over the world because they will always be cheaper, one day they will be in the same boat we are, all their factories will one day be outsourced to......Libya or....Canada
I don't think its all that bad folks. Keep in mind its a natural progression in any developing country that the more capitalism takes root, with the growing middle class, eventually things change. Whether through revolt, revolution or peaceable development, lots of ways. But look how they have come over the last 15 years alone.
Does anyone *really* think that things will always be cheap coming out of China? Not likely. Remember Japan back in the 50's and 60's, CRAP, all crap. TIme travel back and ask someone about 'Made in Japan'. Fast forward to today....
Same with China, it will happen. It may take longer because of their size and population, but things will change, the Chinese trough won't be like this forever. They won't take over the world because they will always be cheaper, one day they will be in the same boat we are, all their factories will one day be outsourced to......Libya or....Canada
so true, i remember the saying " made in japan, it wont last" and today some canadians thinks buying anything that is not japanese or german cars are beneath them.
improving an old invention is not called a new invention. CDs and DVDs are not new invention , makers still had to pay the inventor of the laserdisc which bomb in the late 70s(dont know if it expired now).
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Let's look to the US Patent and Trademark Office:
The term of the patent shall be generally 20 years from the date on which the application for the patent was filed in the United States or, if the application contains a specific reference to an earlier filed application under 35 U.S.C. 120, 121 or 365(c), from the date of the earliest such application was filed, and subject to the payment of maintenance fees as provided by law.
How many of these designs have been patented in the last 20 years?
The term of the patent shall be generally 20 years from the date on which the application for the patent was filed in the United States or, if the application contains a specific reference to an earlier filed application under 35 U.S.C. 120, 121 or 365(c), from the date of the earliest such application was filed, and subject to the payment of maintenance fees as provided by law.
How many of these designs have been patented in the last 20 years?
I get really ticked at the selective #####ing that goes on here. S&W makes a 1911, CZ makes a 1911, PARA makes a 1911, TAURUS makes a 1911 and a whole bunch more have made them and gone broke and a whole bunch that I can't remember still make them. But only NORINCO IS BAD and is STEALING patents and not paying royalties on stuff that has expired maybe 50 years ago, after all it is a 1911. Give it a rest, yes there are better products, but not better products in the same price range and not everyone can buy or justify the cost of a STI OR KIMBER. But for all our sakes we want and need more shooters ( regardless of the gun they shoot) to fill the ranks to fight the antis.
You can't silly, but you knew that didn't you.
Now if fair trade was actually in place around the world, a Norinco 1911 would likely be closer in price to a Para's and Kimbers etc. and all the kids in China would have a pair of shoes ...
What I think G37 is saying we might be the ones needing fair trade in 30 years if we give all our manufacturing jobs to China.
Look into fair trade Johnny I'm sure you wouldn't like it.
http://www.fairtrade.net/
Have I said yet that I own 2 norcs.
