Norinco Garand
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Basing on my knowledge of Nork factories, the startup cost isn't as high as you think. If a M14 can be sold here for $400, I don't see why Nork Garand should be a lot higher. You won't believe how low the cost would be if Garand is made by Nork factories.
First M14's are no longer $400. They are the price they are because the costs were paid for back in the 80's for the US market. I deal with Norinco on a regular basis and have been to many of their contracted factories. I can tell you they will have no interest in supplying Garands unless the US market was open. The Canadian market is a joke to even consider such a project.
I agree with you on the cost of M305 that the current price was set after Norinco broke even their costs. You are also right on that they are only interested in the US market.
But I'm justing saying how appealing a Nork Garand will be. A $400 Nork Garand wouldn't be just a dream.
It certainly is now, and certainly for the Canadian market.
I would rather pay $1300 (which i consider the very upper limit) for a A1 condition Garand with say a new VAR barrel that i have to replace nothing on and that will outlast me in current condition, than buy even a $400 copy of one and then have to start playing around swapping parts. While Norc CQ has certainly improved, there is no way it would be at USGI level if these were in fact made.
Same goes for the M14, if they were not prohib, i would have a few of them too instead of commercial clones.
Same goes for the M14, if they were not prohib, i would have a few of them too instead of commercial clones.
If the chinese would copy the StG (which I would totally be down with), I doubt they would spend the R&D to go to the effort to rechamber it to a longer cartridge.
If the chinese tooled up to make the mp44, it is likely that they would also tool up for 7.92x33, which would eventually mean low cost ammo for their copy of the Sturmgewehr.
I know there were talks about how the older versions of M-14 sporter/M305 having these problems... but it has now become an invalid point to not purchase a Norinco.
I must testify that the newer Norinco's that are out in the market are VERY well made.
Firing the military spec 7.62x51mm ball (C-6 GPMG 220rd belt) is working great for my norinco. It's been stamped 2007 production and there's no separation or any defects to my M-14s.
I've also shot my friend's reload ammo .308 win in the 160 gr range. I don't know the exact specs but it works, the rifle is holding and so is the grouping and accuracy.
For my Norinco M14s, I have to admit that I did purchase 3 new parts on it.
1: scope mount
2: Op-Rod guide, from Marstar
3: Recoil buffer
those are the only 3 upgrades/improvements I've made to the rifle. it still have the original wooden stock, sling, and the 3 mags it shipped with.
So please don't put down an inexpensive well-made rifle without any trigger time.
In my opinion, Norinco does produce quality firearms for a price everyone could afford.
If you have a 1911 for $1400 and another 1911 for $400 and the only difference is the brand name... why are you paying that extra for a name you can't use?
Back to the topic of the probability of Norinco coming out with the M1 Garand: near impossible.
As CanAm said, Canadian market is too small. If the States doesn't open up to Norinco, Norinco won't bother.
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Norinco Garand? I would love it. I'd buy 2.
They are even affordable enough for the improverished govt of sudan, who use them for slaughtering unarmed woman and children in Darfur.
ROLLINGROCK;
"Basing on my knowledge of Nork factories, the startup cost isn't as high as you think."
I assume by this statement you have dealt with arms factories and are well aware of set up and production costs....??
I can assure you I have. We just finished setting up to produce our M-14 in Italy, obviously I must have spent too much....
Would you mind sending me an e mail so we can discuss this further, your experienc is just what we are looking for since you appear able to set up and produce at a much lower cost....
I look forward to hearing from you
John
"Basing on my knowledge of Nork factories, the startup cost isn't as high as you think."
I assume by this statement you have dealt with arms factories and are well aware of set up and production costs....??
I can assure you I have. We just finished setting up to produce our M-14 in Italy, obviously I must have spent too much....
Would you mind sending me an e mail so we can discuss this further, your experienc is just what we are looking for since you appear able to set up and produce at a much lower cost....
I look forward to hearing from you
John
John you're looking for a kill! I was assuming that you have enough connections in China so that Norinco factories will open up their arms for you.I had friends working in both Norinco factories and non-Norinco machinery factories...well, long long time ago.
A friend of mine and I were talking about the possibility of producing Nork Garand over MSN Messenger while we were chatting on the same topic here. One thing we both agreed on was the US market is the key for Norinco to determine whether or not to go ahead with such a line. $400 of sale price...might be a little tight, doable. But a retail price at $500 or $600 is definitely practicable if the US market was wide open for Norinco. BTW, my friend is in a similar business.
Anyways I'm not a businessman. So definitely I don't know what I'm talking about.
ROLLINGROCK you better produce!
I'm gonna put my money on two of the biggest firearm retailers/importers around here that they know some things about Norinco you don't
That's right, buddy!
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