My T-97 leaves a lot to be desired. As we all know grgo's suck more than anything else out there. But when it comes to function and reliability it's hard to beat. Never 1 hick up or jam of any kind. It just keeps going. Still wouldn't choose it over my Tar-21 but I must admit it's never let me down either. Would I call it Norinco "greatness"? Absolutely not. But for the price point it's hard to beat.
Norinco Greatness
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Biggest pile of bull ever.
You aren't forced to do anything. You have a misconception that low cost is ok for most things in your life but not for your firearms. Which is unjustified.
If you had any real reason or self morals you wouldn't pick and choose when "made in China" is convenient for you.
Every single thing you say you are "forced" to buy, you can find an alternative that isn't made in China. You're just being silly at this point plus I don't think you could afford to do that tbh.
easyrider604
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Love the heavy rail road steel they use for the frame and slide. The weight really helps with how it recoils. With some TLC my NP29 is a favourite of my 1911s.
Excellent job Hrcboy
To the Norkie unbelievers: bet you can't tell this /\ was a Norkie.
I have a few 1911s, including a nighthawk, and one that I can't see selling is my nork. Did springs, trigger, some internal clean up and fitting, and the most significant change was a proper full match fit bushing, and it is a great gun. Probably $450(bought it used for $250)and some hours into it by now. Also have a da556 14.5", it work well, finish is meh.
My experience with Norincos has been mixed, I never really found they were the best but for the money most are good. Which could actually be their slogan.
Ive had:
Norinco 213 - very crude 9 mm that never worked for me at all. Constantly failing to chamber sold it for what i spent was quite happy when it was gone.
NP-17 - It was not very accurate at 25 yrds but it did go bang every time with any 9mm ammo i used. I no longer own it.
M93 sportsman - again it went bang every time and was keeping it on the paper at 25 yrds. I no longer own it either it was my first 22 pistol to try out. I got bored of it so it went up for sale. Then sort of dropped out of 22 pistols for a while. Now have a Ruger 22/45 im very happy with.
NP-29 - I purchased it so i had a "nine" and didn't want to spend very much. I use it for plinking, 3 gun and IDPA. Its no target shooter but i hit the paper at 25 yrds and its very reliable and has a decent trigger for my purposes. What i like most is that if something breaks i just "upgrade it". I dont really see any reason to sell it considering what I've spent also its the only new pistol I've ever purchased.
Ive had:
Norinco 213 - very crude 9 mm that never worked for me at all. Constantly failing to chamber sold it for what i spent was quite happy when it was gone.
NP-17 - It was not very accurate at 25 yrds but it did go bang every time with any 9mm ammo i used. I no longer own it.
M93 sportsman - again it went bang every time and was keeping it on the paper at 25 yrds. I no longer own it either it was my first 22 pistol to try out. I got bored of it so it went up for sale. Then sort of dropped out of 22 pistols for a while. Now have a Ruger 22/45 im very happy with.
NP-29 - I purchased it so i had a "nine" and didn't want to spend very much. I use it for plinking, 3 gun and IDPA. Its no target shooter but i hit the paper at 25 yrds and its very reliable and has a decent trigger for my purposes. What i like most is that if something breaks i just "upgrade it". I dont really see any reason to sell it considering what I've spent also its the only new pistol I've ever purchased.
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Armored Metal
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Bought one back in 88 and never had a single malfunction. Then again, I always shot it in ideal conditions, no competitions or extreme weather.
Armored Metal
CGN frequent flyer
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- The People's Republik of Kébekistan
The only Norc I own now is a CQa which I've used in Black gun, CQB and service rifle competitions. No hiccups, no malfunctions whatsoever and no problem scoring at 300M. Love that rifle.
It seems they're great when they're great and they're bad when they're bad. However, the only bad I've seen is the fit and finish and the occasional crooked sight.
Everything is a snapshot in time though and I wonder if this isn't norinco's time? Three or Four years ago, they really had a place in the low budget, but now there are cheap Smith&wesson Sd9 Ve pistols, Turkish shotguns, and Smith&wesson AR 15's on the market. I think Norinco is fine, but that budget market has lots of competition these days.
Everything is a snapshot in time though and I wonder if this isn't norinco's time? Three or Four years ago, they really had a place in the low budget, but now there are cheap Smith&wesson Sd9 Ve pistols, Turkish shotguns, and Smith&wesson AR 15's on the market. I think Norinco is fine, but that budget market has lots of competition these days.
Lungorthin
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- Calgary, AB
Typically they work, but their fit and finish ain't so great.
For some people, just working is good enough for them. That's cool too.
Personally, I would rather pony up the extra cash for something squared away and be totally satisfied with it. Instead of thinking "man, I wish this looked/felt nicer" every time I pick it up.
For some people, just working is good enough for them. That's cool too.
Personally, I would rather pony up the extra cash for something squared away and be totally satisfied with it. Instead of thinking "man, I wish this looked/felt nicer" every time I pick it up.
Fit and Finish is as good or better than just about anything I have looked at including Sigs, real CZs and my trigger on my NZ85 is better than a broken-in CZ I looked at. Rather than piss away an extra $600 bucks for a "real"cz; I'm putting it into ammo and am going to shoot a lot more than I would with the CZ.
This site is not very picture friendly , so if you want to see photos, you need to go here: http://www.g**ownersofcanada.ca/showthread.php?42529-Norinco-NZ85B-Thanks-Canada-Ammo!!!&p=522536#post522536
The only negative was the grips which are a bit big and slick, but I found a pair of older CZ75 grips and after a little filing of the grips, they fell right into place and are solid, fit perfect, fit me better, and are way less slippery!!
Notice there are very few ever offered on the EE of this or the other website, and when they are, they usually have a higher asking price than you can buy a new one for... no one ever wants to sell them once they have one. Lot's of other big-name stuff for sale with not many rounds through them at less than new prices.
That should tell you something.
Lungorthin
Regular
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- Calgary, AB
Comparing an NP58 to an actual Sig P226 is like night and day. My Norinco PPN doesn't come anywhere near to the quality of my Walther PP. Might as well be on different planets. And the DA trigger on it is probably the heaviest trigger I've ever pulled, no exaggeration.
It depends how much fit and finish and pride of ownership is worth to you.
To me, it's more.
Sure. Your Norinco stuff is greater than anything out there...because it's yours.
Enjoy and thanks for free laugh this morning....
Its true... I see little reason to buy a Norinco firearm at this point... 3-4 years ago sure. The Turkish shotguns are far better and sometimes cost less... the Smith&wesson AR 15 is far superior to the Norinco ones and costs the same (at least right now) for pistols there are a few out there now at the same price point as the Norcs, again I would consider them better most of the time.
Norinco has had some winners and losers... lets be honest, more losers... I agree, I see their space in the market being seriously challenged in the coming years. Now, if they suddenly drop their prices by 20% that might change things. China's currency value is all fake and state controlled anyway, so I guess it could happen. I've seen some lightly used norc pistols for $250 on the EE, and I admit that would be a great deal for the good ones.
I've found my NP29 9mm has occasional issues (1/100) with slightly longer 9mm ammo than shorter ones. It will load Blazer and Wolf (reloads) just fine, but fail on American Eagle and Winchester. Recently when I started reloading i actually looked at the differences to get some base settings on the press, and noticed the good ones were 1/16in shorter overall then the bad ones. after pulling a few to check for safe powder level, i gently pressed the longer ones down to match, and they feed much better on the np29. Other then that, the np29 has been great, although now revolvers are using their siren call on me... such is life i guess.
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