Kidd X was formerly TDC and if I remember correctly TDC was banned a few years ago for being a "troll" and highly opinionated mouth piece on CGN...
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Norinco Greatness
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Kidd X was formerly TDC and if I remember correctly TDC was banned a few years ago for being a "troll" and highly opinionated mouth piece on CGN...
Yup. This is particularly the case here in the USA. There's such a variety of rifles and pistols available it was difficult to resist all the "deals". But after buying garbage like Taurus and Norinco, I will stick to major brands made in the USA. The exception to that is cz75 clones because I love them and there's no such thing as a made in the USA cz75.
There are such things as good deals in the firearm world. However, they come from respected manufacturers trying to clear products. Recent examples are the FNS before the 509 and M&Ps before the 2.0.
I don't know why any American would buy some garbage 1911 clone when they could have an M&P for $299.
I don't know why any American would buy some garbage 1911 clone when they could have an M&P for $299.
The usual judgement here of other people's choices. For a bunch of self-described independant free-thinkers, many here sure like to make choices for other people. Norcs are generally good, solid, affordable guns. I grew up with mossburgs and Stevens and other budget guns. Today people grow up with Norcs. They will then move on to others. Think of Norcs as a gateway drug.
And for those that say "don't buy commie guns", think of it this way.....if the Chinese want to supply cheap training guns so that the Canadian populace can become proficient shooters more easily, let them.
And for those that say "don't buy commie guns", think of it this way.....if the Chinese want to supply cheap training guns so that the Canadian populace can become proficient shooters more easily, let them.
Sooo, Colt, would be below you as a 1911 range gun?
I'd own one if it was a smokin deal or something but I'd rather pay a few extra hundred dollars and get a Dan Wesson for sure. A Les Baer concept is only like $1600 to Colt's $1100 for a Gold Cup. $500 isn't going to break the bank and if it is you shouldn't be buying a gun....
I also like to laugh at some of the 'holier than thou' 'I only own 'Quality' firearms people that complain... Probably pissed off that with their custom engraved, finely polished diamond inlayed pieces get outshot by someone with 'junk'.
Some of us can only afford to pay so much to put a hole in a piece of damn paper! Norincos have let me shoot a variety of different firearms without breaking the bank. For the prices I've paid to own 3 different guns at 1 time I still wouldn't be able to own a real Sig 226... I'd still be saving for it LOL.
I still have an NS522 repeater target rifle, but I don't have any CZ's or Savages anymore... Hmmmmm.
had an older Norinco 1911 and it shot great, I'm just not a 1911 guy, and 45acp ammo is too much for me to justify when I can shoot more 9mm at the range for the same price. NZ85b (CZ copy) shot flawless but I sucked at shooting it. NP22 Sig copy (still have it) shoots accurate enough for me and has never had a failure!
Some of us can only afford to pay so much to put a hole in a piece of damn paper! Norincos have let me shoot a variety of different firearms without breaking the bank. For the prices I've paid to own 3 different guns at 1 time I still wouldn't be able to own a real Sig 226... I'd still be saving for it LOL.
I still have an NS522 repeater target rifle, but I don't have any CZ's or Savages anymore... Hmmmmm.
had an older Norinco 1911 and it shot great, I'm just not a 1911 guy, and 45acp ammo is too much for me to justify when I can shoot more 9mm at the range for the same price. NZ85b (CZ copy) shot flawless but I sucked at shooting it. NP22 Sig copy (still have it) shoots accurate enough for me and has never had a failure!
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Canada tail
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Agreed. I ve owned 522, 1911 and np22. I sold them at different point of life and I finally bought a "real" u.s made p226 and what a utter disappointment that one was.
Well, everyone has an opinion and you sure have yours! I have handguns worth $1800, and antique handguns worth $7000.+ and I have $75. Shotguns, they all have their place, I have 3 unmarked Norc 1911 government models, I bought them for ~$500. Each And it included 3, 1000 round crates of .45 acp all for less than your $1600. Shipped to my door! 2 are still in the grease and the one I use just keeps going and going and going, and getting smoother! I have only changed the grips so far but might try some different parts and pieces if the mood strikes me. I love the feel of the 1911, but the CZ shadow ain't no slouch either!
Then don't. No loss for norinco. Pretty sure they'll survive without your support.
And judging by the pics you've posted over the years, you're probably better off than 70-80% of the people on this site. It's great that you have the disposable funds to spend on your hobby. Others don't, or don't choose to spend what they have where you choose to spend.
And just for full disclosure, I own 2. An NP20 which I have because it's weird, and one of the unmarked 1911's, which I have because I couldn't resist. Neither are my favorite, but not because they're Norcs.
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Travis Bickle
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There is no "entry gun" you simply bought what you had cash for without exercising some discipline and saving more money for a better product. A limited budget is an issue, but as I posted if you can't afford a quality gun then you will struggle to afford to feed it or train with it. The gun is a fixed cost, the ammo and useage of it is not.
A gun costing thousands does not mean it is of quality make or manufacture, it means it cost several thousand. There are plenty of low quality guns and parts being sold at insanely high prices. Custom builds suffer from poor assembly issues as well. Comparing an expensive unknown quality rifle to a low cost low quality rifle is not a fair comparison and does not support your position.
So you admit the finish on the Norc is sh*t which means it is a low quality gun. Aside from the low cost and low quality of Norc firearms there is the other end of the spectrum of very high cost with little improvement firearms, like a Les Baer. A lot of money for a name but near zero improvement over a quality built 1911 like a Colt, Kimber, even a Springfield. I will digress in that I am not a 1911 fan, they're grossly outdated and inferior to all pistols except revolvers. You are correct, a $400 gun that works is better than any gun that does not or no gun at all. The problem is that Norc doesn't make a $400 gun that works..
Bob it's Rosetta Stone, not Resetta Stone.
Working min wage doesn't really save you anything as you're still poor.
How many rounds through your Norcs Bob? Have you ever taken a high round count class/course?
Glad to see there are some who get it. I bet you learned the hard way like most of us. Too bad more people won't listen to that hard earned wisdom..
This is an absolutely retarded comparison and weak attempt to validate your low dollar low quality gun. Let's ad some reality, I bet your T97 will blow up long before the Tavor does.
Do tell how many hundred rounds you've put through the rifle?
I honestly can't say.
At least two cases of the Norc 7.62mm just in the first couple years of owning it.
So that's at least 2000 rounds.
I've also put many boxes of Hirt and the old battle packs of South Afr surplus when it was around.
I can't say for sure but damned near 3000 rounds easily over the 7 years I've owned it.
You clearly have some hard up hate of Norinco firearms for some odd reason Sir. So much so that you refuse to believe that any of them could ever possibly last for more than 50 rounds without exploding lol
There is surely many more Norinco guns blasting through cases of hot loaded surplus ammo out there in this country than high end name brand equivalents.
I own other guns than Norinco myself. My only Norc now is my M305. I've owned many before. I did not like the T97. It was junk (the one I had was anyhow) I sold my Norc 1911 (excellent gun) because ammo prices were too high compared to 9mm. The Norc 1911 was very well machined, extremely accurate and dead reliable over the 750 rounds I put through it in 3 range trips.
To say that all Norinco guns are bad is beyond ignorant. Unless a Norinco firearm raped someone you love, I have a hard time understanding where such ignorant statements come from?
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You are never getting any more norincos down south with the clinton ban in place. "if we can't get it but someone else get, it must be junk right ?". The only thing left for you to do now is to call it junk.
You have a few firearms that tell me you are way better off than I am. You really do not need to join this norinco discussion to spread your hatred on China.
You have a few firearms that tell me you are way better off than I am. You really do not need to join this norinco discussion to spread your hatred on China.
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Best statement of the thread. My beer just came out my nose. Lmfao!
Why do the norc lovers confuse patriotism with ignorance. It's easy to understand why an American would not support communism with their $. What's lost on me is why there isn't a similar sentiment among more Canadian gun owners.
