norinco guns?

tree mugger said:
I think that there are people sub-consiously justifying the expense of their name-brands.

I win matches with my Norc 9mm, against Glocks, berettas, Sigs and even the odd STI.....
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Dude I think skill level is the factor in that one. :eek:
 
m1978 said:
hey, maybe a bunch of cheap norc 1911s would be a good choice for our borderguards, imagine what they would cost if bought in bulk.;)
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I hope thats a joke. A nail gun would be cheaper yet and you don't need a PAL.:mad:
 
I too am sick of the Norc crowd who will not take my opinion as being as valid as theirs!

That's just GREAT that YOU were lucky enough to receive a Norinco product that works. I have NOT had that pleasure, nor has my good friend and shooting partner, who has owned three different Norcs, and only kept the 1911 that he invested $500 worth of parts into to make it work.

The now $900 value 1911 is a competition gun.

The $400 ones were unreliable at best.

My SigSauer P220 has been flawless since day 1, and still is +/- 1500 rounds later.

I am not telling you to go out and buy a Sig because Norinco's are all crap... BUT, MY OPINION, WHICH IS WHAT WAS ASKED FOR BY THE ORIGINAL POSTER, is that I will not buy another Norinco because my experience with them has not been worthwhile.

And by the way, I do buy clothes at Costco, Save-on-shoes, and Wal-Mart, and the money I save there gets spent on tools that I want to last a while.

It's all about choices, and please don't denigrate me for deciding that I don't like Norinco. You are welcome to them.

Neal
 
nelly said:
I too am sick of the Norc crowd who will not take my opinion as being as valid as theirs!

That's just GREAT that YOU were lucky enough to receive a Norinco product that works. I have NOT had that pleasure, nor has my good friend and shooting partner, who has owned three different Norcs, and only kept the 1911 that he invested $500 worth of parts into to make it work.

The now $900 value 1911 is a competition gun.

The $400 ones were unreliable at best.

My SigSauer P220 has been flawless since day 1, and still is +/- 1500 rounds later.

I am not telling you to go out and buy a Sig because Norinco's are all crap... BUT, MY OPINION, WHICH IS WHAT WAS ASKED FOR BY THE ORIGINAL POSTER, is that I will not buy another Norinco because my experience with them has not been worthwhile.

And by the way, I do buy clothes at Costco, Save-on-shoes, and Wal-Mart, and the money I save there gets spent on tools that I want to last a while.

It's all about choices, and please don't denigrate me for deciding that I don't like Norinco. You are welcome to them.

Neal
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Whos post offended you? I see most people agreeing with you.
 
I to love the Sig, but I still like the Nork's also and will have a mix. I will by the end of this year own 3 nork pistols for the price of one Para-Ordance, that does not mean I won't get a PO pistol also.

As far as I am concerned if Norks mean that twice as many people get into shooting as the intial cost are lower, than that is great for all of us. I have yet to meet anyone who starts with a Nork, not want to buy a higher quality pistol, but can't afford it yet. Norks got me back into shooting pistol and i am glad they were a choice I could make.
 
I own an M305, SKS and torkarev knock-off. all have performend their funtions flawlessly. am I lucky? maby. but these guns are great for getting new people out to the range (and isent that what it's all about people?!)
allso a good way to hone your shooting skills. I would rather shoot a cheap gun then no gun at all! eventally your skills will outgrow the gun, so you get a better gun. by that time, you will have become serious enough about your shooting that you can justify a $1000 sig or somthing like that. I own much nicer guns than the ones I've listed. but they still make it to the range on a regular bases. maby it's the "Bang" factor:)
my2c

cheers,
BCtrigger
 
BCtrigger,
I see your point, they are a gret and cheap way to get into shooting. AS I mentioned before, the problem comes when folks expect the guns to never have problems and work forever and perform as well as brand name guns. These are unrealistic expectations from a company that is not known for consistant quality or functionality in their guns. Take them for what they are, a cheap "in" to the shooting sports. I for one do not understand why you would buy twice when you could buy once. Lets do the math.

I get into shooting and buy a NORC 1911 for $425 (I believe?)

2 years later I've shot the poop out of it and want a really nice 1911 like say a kimber Custom 2. Going price is $965.

In 2 years I have now spent $1390 on guns. I could have bought the Kimber right out of the gate and saved atleast $425. Maybe more if the NORC had problems requiring new parts or a trip to the smith. $425 buys a lot of ammo.

CF
 
Or it could go like this. I want a 1911 and only have $500.00. I could buy the norc and go shooting right now. OR I could sit and wait and wait and wait until I finally have the money for the kimber. I would rather be shooting personally. I put about 500 rounds a month through my norc and it has yet to fail me even once. It'sall about what you are looking for and how much you have to spend. If you want a tack driver with all the gizmos and junk that has been lovingly hand made by some old time gunsmith to exacting tolerances with a flawless finish then you have to pay for it. If you just want to go out on a weekend and blast a bunch of rounds for fun and couldn't care less about appearences, tolerences, adjustablity, and accuracy then what's wrong with a norinco? Sure I would love a springfield or a kimber or a para but it's not in the budget for now. Besides, I kind of like polishing and tinkering and tuning my gun rather than just buying one already done for me.
 
Wobbles,
I in no way indicated you should piss away lots of money on a custom built gun. If you can't shoot a gun out of the box without doing work to it than you bought a lemon end of story. As you stated above, if all you want to do is go shoot and hear the gun go off and watch the slide cycle(which I also enjoy watching!) than by all means buy a NORC. You understand what you purchased and why you purchased it, therefore you don't expect anything extra special out of it. Not to mention you enjoy tinkering with it. I'd say you're one of the few NORC owners who rationalized their purchase outside of the "for the money its a deal" mentality.

CF
 
Depends on what you want and what you are looking for. It's true that you get what you pay for. If you would only feel comfortable driving a porsche, better spend $1000's on your gun. If you are comfortable driving a toyota, buy a $400 gun. The thing is, why spend the extra money on the porsche if you aren't going to race it?

Personally, I have been delighted with the Norincos I've purchased over the years. They have given me as good of service right out of the box as any more expensive product would have.
 
I guess I should have put my other post here....oh well.

I just got a Norinco 1911 .45 the other day and it is excactly what I needed and more than I expected.

I tore into it right away and butchered it up, grinding here, polishing there, hammering a little here, drilling holes there, added this, added that and in the end it turned out how I wanted.

It didn't break the bank and goes bang every time.

I also own 2 STI's but I didn't want to mess them up like I did this Norinco, IMO the STI's are better guns for the money, but I didn't want to throw away 1200 plus extras, so I threw away 400 plus extras and had a little fun doing it.:)

Different strokes........
 
cannonfodder said:
BCtrigger,
I see your point, they are a gret and cheap way to get into shooting. AS I mentioned before, the problem comes when folks expect the guns to never have problems and work forever and perform as well as brand name guns. CF
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Gee, I must have been hallucinating when I saw those Rugers, Kimbers, Glocks. S&W, etc,etc have problems at the range. Brand name guns can have problems also, they can also be very nice to shoot. :)
 
cannonfodder said:
Wobbles,
I in no way indicated you should piss away lots of money on a custom built gun. If you can't shoot a gun out of the box without doing work to it than you bought a lemon end of story. As you stated above, if all you want to do is go shoot and hear the gun go off and watch the slide cycle(which I also enjoy watching!) than by all means buy a NORC. You understand what you purchased and why you purchased it, therefore you don't expect anything extra special out of it. Not to mention you enjoy tinkering with it. I'd say you're one of the few NORC owners who rationalized their purchase outside of the "for the money its a deal" mentality.

CF
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Well I did not mean it exactly like that. I understand where you are coming from and agree with your reasoning. That said I would also recomend buying a norinco from someone who stands behind them. Just like any gun I buy. A lot of shops sell them as surplus and what you get is what you get. It really seems hit or miss with the guns. I have been blessed with only good norc's so far.
 
Colin,
You are correct brand name guns can have problems. Norinco DO have problems. The difference is measured in frequency and severity. I am willing to bet any original design that NORC has copied will out perform any NORC copy. Buddy holly just pointed out why be bought one. He didn't want to risk wrecking an STI when he started tinkering with it. Sounds like good logic. Firearms failing is not an exact science. The user is often the problem. Whether that be in their technique or in their care and maintenance it doesn't really matter. Judging just the equipment with no external factors, I will put my money on a well known brand name over a NORC anyday.

CF
 
What I should have added in my first post was that if you decide to buy the Tok copy (I paid the $199 with the 9mm and the 7.62x25 barrels from Lever) and you decide down the road you want more quality etc JUST SELL IT.
I don't think I'm going out on a very long plank to say that this pistol is always going to sell for more than $150

I really like mine and yes I worked with it but I do that type of thing regardless of what I pay for my toys. Now the trigger is oh so crisp and light in a SAFE way.
 
pac11 said:
I really like mine and yes I worked with it but I do that type of thing regardless of what I pay for my toys. Now the trigger is oh so crisp and light in a SAFE way.
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I'm curious as to how you accomplished that. Assuming when you say Tok copy you are referring to the model 54, the only way I could think of to improve the trigger was to mill out a new trigger with a longer stirrup to eliminate the take-up, peen and file the frame around the trigger-group slot to eliminate wobble, and then make jigs to hone the contact surfaces of the trigger-group.

A little too much work for a $129 pistol for me.

If you have an easier method, please share.
 
jeezzzz........alot of opinions but i am still confused....:p ,
so what did i do??? i went out and bought a second hand Norc'!!!!!
(actualy i got 2 for the price of one............:D ) now , since i only blew 500ish bucks for an 1911 and a HP-knockoff , i think im gonna be able to post soon as to how these two perform........now i just got to wait for the 10 day wait period..:( :( :(
i figure if it comes down to fit/finish bling etc. yah i would go out and buy the brand name, but if i spend 3 times less and still spit lead (and hit) i think Norc's will/are the way to go...........
 
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