Norinco JW15A, NR 15 or scoripo

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Putting a 22lr ammo order together and also thinking about another 22lr.
Is the latest batch of JW15A garbage , I can't find much info on the NR 15 , looks to be the same action as the JW but a different mag. I've read some good stuff about the scorpio. They are all near the same price. I have several 22's in Brno mod 2, cz 452 and cz 457. I think nine in just those 3 models and then a couple 10/22's. Cheapest brno mod 2's around are the trainers and I can't lay my hands on them and dealers will only send a pic or 2 if you can get them to send one. They don't want anyone cherry picking the best. When it's $400 involved , I'd like to see a used gun first. $200 'ish for a new 22 is a little different and I can always send it back if it's a problem child. Not always fun sending a gun back and waiting for answers.
I'm dealing with a brand new Cz457 with a bad firing pin that has the chrome chipping off and the gun has never been fired by me. It just had a really slow lock time when using snap caps setting the trigger pull. Further inspection showed why. . Warranty center says they have never heard of any issues which I call BS.
Just crappy weather right now to do any sort of testing . - 20 c is not when I want to be shooting a 22 or any gun.
Whats everyone's opinion on the 3 I mentioned.
 
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I took a chance with two separate 15As from tenda late last year. Bolt wouldn't go into one of them and bolt wouldn't open without a mallet on the other. Utter crap. The older ones are nice little guns and decent plinkers. The Scorpios are a huge cut above in fit and finish... I've owned three. All great. The "ergonomic" stock is not well liked but it works for me. I currently have a 22 inch Scorpio.
 
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I took a chance with two separate 15As from tenda late last year. Bolt wouldn't go into one of them and bolt wouldn't open without a mallet on the other. Utter crap. The older ones are nice little guns and decent plinkers. The Scorpios are a huge cut above in fit and finish... I've owned three. All great. The "ergonomic" stock is not well liked but it works for me. I currently have a 22 inch Scorpio.
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With support of both my dealer and the distributor, likley almost 10 years ago, I went through 3 JW14s; the third one was the charm in that it had a straight barrel. It was a bad lot, the distributors gunsmith test fired 9 rifles until they found one and sent it to me as the second replacement rifle.

The bolt was stupid tight, almost inoperable, but it did shoot. I started by using a tracking agent (red lead paste) and gently working and smoothing using needle files, diamond files, and die-stones. Once working freely, I polished the bolt and the inside of the receiver. Main issue was that the bolt was contacting the barrel too closely. I had the same issue when I rebarreled my CZ455 with a CZUB Varmint Barrel. in the 455/457 you can shim the barrels, Earlier CZs, and the JW15 (clone of CZ Model 1) have pressed in barrels.

It's trigger was OK, but it was super acurate, and not picky about ammo. I bought a truly beautiful CZ Mod 2, then more than a couple 455s and a Mod 4; I sold the JW to a guy who really appreciated it. :)

I also bought a Scorpio shortly after, and it shot well right out of the box; it was finished nicely, and ran very smooth with a pretty good trigger. I have suggested these to young and new members on a budget as an entry level .22. Those who buy them, really like them; they perform above their price point consistently. Some like the stock, some don't, I found it comfortable; my cousin added weight to the butt stock for freehand shooting. He found it nose heavy.
 
Yep, for budget, those Scorpio's do a surprisingly good job. I have a shooter that even runs one for PRS (lol) and he does actually quite decent with it.
 
nitris223 said:
Putting a 22lr ammo order together and also thinking about another 22lr.
Is the latest batch of JW15A garbage , I can't find much info on the NR 15 , looks to be the same action as the JW but a different mag. I've read some good stuff about the scorpio. They are all near the same price. I have several 22's in Brno mod 2, cz 452 and cz 457. I think nine in just those 3 models and then a couple 10/22's. Cheapest brno mod 2's around are the trainers and I can't lay my hands on them and dealers will only send a pic or 2 if you can get them to send one. They don't want anyone cherry picking the best. When it's $400 involved , I'd like to see a used gun first. $200 'ish for a new 22 is a little different and I can always send it back if it's a problem child. Not always fun sending a gun back and waiting for answers.
I'm dealing with a brand new Cz457 with a bad firing pin that has the chrome chipping off and the gun has never been fired by me. It just had a really slow lock time when using snap caps setting the trigger pull. Further inspection showed why. . Warranty center says they have never heard of any issues which I call BS.
Just crappy weather right now to do any sort of testing . - 20 c is not when I want to be shooting a 22 or any gun.
Whats everyone's opinion on the 3 I mentioned.
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OP - The last batch of JW15s had pretty spotty QC at best. I had OK luck with mine and liked them fine. I picked up an NR15 with the thumbhole stock. It was mechanically identical to the JW15s but with a much better magazine, slightly different safety, and much much better finishing work. It was perfectly fine.

Looks like the latest Chinese models to tempt Canadians are the Northernrim CB22s. They are a mix of a modified Scorpio with more traditional style wood and synthetic stocks, but with 10/22 magazines. Early reports here seem pretty positive. Even the wood stocks are beech rather than traditional Chinese catalpa.

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/threads/northernrim-22lr-rifles-are-now-in-stock.2583838/

One nice thing about Chinese rimfires is that they are mostly metal, and even their synthetic stocks are pretty solid. Tenda and Epps both have some in right now. If the Northernrim models shoot like Scorpios, that's a win.
 
Lever30 said:
OP - The last batch of JW15s had pretty spotty QC at best. I had OK luck with mine and liked them fine. I picked up an NR15 with the thumbhole stock. It was mechanically identical to the JW15s but with a much better magazine, slightly different safety, and much much better finishing work. It was perfectly fine.

Looks like the latest Chinese models to tempt Canadians are the Northernrim CB22s. They are a mix of a modified Scorpio with more traditional style wood and synthetic stocks, but with 10/22 magazines. Early reports here seem pretty positive. Even the wood stocks are beech rather than traditional Chinese catalpa.

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/threads/northernrim-22lr-rifles-are-now-in-stock.2583838/

One nice thing about Chinese rimfires is that they are mostly metal, and even their synthetic stocks are pretty solid. Tenda and Epps both have some in right now. If the Northernrim models shoot like Scorpios, that's a win.
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Thanks for the link. Seems like a interesting gun. May have to pick one up and see if I can work it over a bit. Maybe make some accessories for it. Sounds like the threaded cap is not the best. Seems to be lacking a crown on the barrel but it just needs to be square and a slight chamfer to the edge to make it a clean crown.
 
nitris223 said:
I'm dealing with a brand new Cz457 with a bad firing pin that has the chrome chipping off and the gun has never been fired by me. It just had a really slow lock time when using snap caps setting the trigger pull. Further inspection showed why. . Warranty center says they have never heard of any issues which I call BS.
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stuff for a follow-up thread maybe?
 
It seems the first batch of the JW15A-13 marked 'Bell Lifestyle 2014' are the ones to have. Such a shame that the recent lot had so many problems.... fantastic little rifles. Mine shoots 60 grain Aguila subsonic like a dream.
 
nitris223 said:
SFRC just emailed me 2 days ago saying that they got the warranty firing pin that I put a claim in back in December. Now just waiting to get it. I asked if they brought in any other cz 452,455 and 457 spare parts and never got a reply yet.
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We're just sorting CZ parts, getting them out and fixing the CZ's that are here as this is our first CZ parts shipment. It takes a while to sort thru over a skid of small bagged parts.

Ryan
 
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