Norinco m14 vs. Springfield m14

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Hey Experts,

I've been looking at an m14 and noticed a massive price difference between Norinco and Springfield. I was wondering how the Norinco's perform. Are they as reliable? Is accuracy comparable better or worse? And do they both accept the same after market parts?

Thanks,

Kyle
 
i'll bite the bait. norinco's are forged just like the original gi was. springfield is cast. if you go on the american m14 forums you find they are sending the springfield back numerous times for faults. springfield does have a liftime warranty. norc's don't. plus some or most springfield firearm parts are not made in the us of a. brazil comes to mind. people are mistaken when they assume that springfield armouries is the same company that supplied the u.s. goverment. it ain't. they bought the name in the 70's. out of the box the norinco m1a is a very good battle rifle, just as the original. it isn't a m21 like most think it should be. it will shoot well under a 6" at 200 and that is all a battle rifle is required to do. norinco $500? springfield $1900? crap editing again. all the norinco type gi firearms i have, have taken gi parts no problem. after market parts may need fitting. but like i said, all the REAL gi parts i have changed hace fit well.
 
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I think the point of this was to say....look down the page and see the various threads on this. We don't need 40 posts saying the same thing.

Pleeease don't start with the forged vs cast. 90% of the users here will never shoot enough through the rifle to even think about the need.

I own a number of each, neither is perfect and both need some attention. If you feel the need to have a ford vs chevy argument yet again, I would recommend someone bring this issue up once a week so we can at some point discuss other things.....
 
i've got a couple'a ?'s.

i just managed to get the flash supp. off of my norc.
i tried previously with wood blocks,... but no dice.
i took out a big a$$ metal bar,wrapped some duct tape and have at her on the missing bayonet lug.a few good whacks and voila,it came off.
i went to replace the piston assy. and flash supp./front sight,bayo. lug with usgi.
they go on pretty tight(both assys.)--is that normal?(smack on/off with wood block)
also,the flash supp. end/hole is much smaller than the norc.--should i be worried?
i just hope the gas holes line up--i used the same norc castle nut and piston assy. nut as i think the threads are not usgi.
another thing is a usgi op rod won't fit properly---it jams up--normal?
last,where in quebecistan can i get the op rod guide roll pins?


thanks in advance...
 
toyboy said:
i've got a couple'a ?'s.

i just managed to get the flash supp. off of my norc.
i tried previously with wood blocks,... but no dice.
i took out a big a$$ metal bar,wrapped some duct tape and have at her on the missing bayonet lug.a few good whacks and voila,it came off.
i went to replace the piston assy. and flash supp./front sight,bayo. lug with usgi.
they go on pretty tight(both assys.)--is that normal?(smack on/off with wood block)
also,the flash supp. end/hole is much smaller than the norc.--should i be worried?
i just hope the gas holes line up--i used the same norc castle nut and piston assy. nut as i think the threads are not usgi.
another thing is a usgi op rod won't fit properly---it jams up--normal?
last,where in quebecistan can i get the op rod guide roll pins?


thanks in advance...
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i dont know for sure where is quebecistan but theres no where to find parts for that in quebec, look for em on internet
 
toyboy said:
i've got a couple'a ?'s.

i just managed to get the flash supp. off of my norc.
i tried previously with wood blocks,... but no dice.
i took out a big a$$ metal bar,wrapped some duct tape and have at her on the missing bayonet lug.a few good whacks and voila,it came off.
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Ouch! I hope you didn't twist the barrel!

toyboy said:
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also,the flash supp. end/hole is much smaller than the norc.--should i be worried?
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The hole on the flash suppressor needs to be big. The Americans discovered that not all flash suppressors attached squarely on the barrel, and some rifles were inaccurate because the bullets hit the edge of the front hole. If you can drill or ream the centre out of the whole thing. Keep the slots and the overall shape.

toyboy said:
another thing is a usgi op rod won't fit properly---it jams up--normal?
last,where in quebecistan can i get the op rod guide roll pins?

thanks in advance...
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http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=283785

Several Chinese rifles are missing that pin for some reason. I bought a plastic box of assorted 'roll pins' at a cheap hardware store. Or get you gunsmith to drill the hole larger and put in the stubby end of a broken drill bit. It is not a standard metric or imperial measurement. Making the guide solid will keep the op rod working consistently. It should correct the jamming problems.
 
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thanks maple_leaf:
i didn't whack the barrel that hard--a ball peen hammer and a "bucking bar" was all it took.the flash supp. didn't even get marred.
the op rod guide has the roll pin but it's loose.i replaced it with a usgi oprod guide and pin but it's still loose.
the original op rod is working fine but when i tried to install a usgi oprod the action jammed up--it seems the usgi rod fouls against the outside of the chamber or it's too tight in the channel...
 
king66 said:
i'll bite the bait. norinco's are forged just like the original gi was. springfield is cast. if you go on the american m14 forums you find they are sending the springfield back numerous times for faults. springfield does have a liftime warranty. norc's don't. plus some or most springfield firearm parts are not made in the us of a. brazil comes to mind. people are mistaken when they assume that springfield armouries is the same company that supplied the u.s. goverment. it ain't. they bought the name in the 70's. out of the box the norinco m1a is a very good battle rifle, just as the original. it isn't a m21 like most think it should be. it will shoot well under a 6" at 200 and that is all a battle rifle is required to do. norinco $500? springfield $1900? crap editing again. all the norinco type gi firearms i have, have taken gi parts no problem. after market parts may need fitting. but like i said, all the REAL gi parts i have changed hace fit well.
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All the parts I made bold are either misleading or plain wrong. The funniest is about the "quality" issues. I made a poll on one of these "American M14" sites with people "criticizing" the M1A from SAI, asking about their personal problems with their M1A's with the vast majority (~87%) of people had no need to send their rifle back for work. With only ~8% sending back their rifle once.

Never heard a SAI not taking USGI parts, actually only rifles that seem to need fitting are Norinco's as their bolts are not made to spec so more then head spacing is required. Fact of the matter is I doubt the majority of users will change out most or all the parts in a Norinco or SAI, small parts like bolt guts yes, bigger things like barrels not unless needed down the road.

At the end of the day both rifles serve their purpose. They shoot lead down range. If you just want a plinker rifle a Norinco is the way to go as they are not all that much more then a SKS (and a much better choice in my opinion), however the SAI does have its own appeal.

Morpheus32 said:
Pleeease don't start with the forged vs cast. 90% of the users here will never shoot enough through the rifle to even think about the need.
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Very true especially since casting has come a very long way from where it was unwanted compared to forged in the 1950's. Technology changes and a cast product can be made just as good as a forged product today.

Morpheus32 said:
Not having a ford vs chevy argument if that is what you mean! ;)
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That is very simple, Ford all the way. :p

Dimitri
 
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