Norinco M4 New Range Report

Norinco M4 Epic

You'll laugh, you’ll cry, you'll want to pirate a copy to see it again & again!!!! --Coming to a YOUTUBE theatre near you!!! --Watch for "NavyGunner’s" premier with the maliciously venerable Norc M4, watch in awe as he unleashes copious amounts of jacketed hot lead to annihilate stationary multiple hoards of painted paper, & rock targets from the tiniest pebbles to home sized boulders. Listen as thousands of spent .556 brass vomit dangerously to the range floor, where , any misstep by our hero could send him grabbing sky! Will the most evil cheaply manufactured mass shipped weapon to ever be assembled by under aged communistic vestal virgins – hiccup; double feed, stove pipe, de-extract, blow up, or disintegrate to a powdery pile of plastic/aluminum shavings, failing our hero in the middle
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What do you think of the irons that came with it? Im a classic irons kinda guy, the type that you see on a handgun, not these "peep" sights.

Ive used peep sights before and they were easy to use...on a 22 rifle. The sights on this thing I cant even sight-in!! It shot to the right when I first got it and still shoots to the right now, regardless where I put the rear sights.

I know, its me not the gun....

Ive tried placing my face further/closer to the sights using the adjustable stock, not much help. I think its the rear aperture/sight thats the issue with me. Its big...even the small one...my eyes simply ignore it and use the front sight only.

Ideas?

Is it me and my noobishness, the irons themself, or other?

Maybe ill go red dot but it seems like the cheaters way out.

cant even get my gun sighted lol....gah.

Im using those military targets with the squares on them too to try to adjust my sights...shows you how many clicks to move to fix shot placement etc.
 
Accuwedge

Nice write up. Good range report and photos.

You may be able to resolve some of your feeding issues by not hanging onto the mag while shooting. Doing so can pull the front of the mag down, and will lead to feeding issues, as the angle between the ammo held by the mag lips and the feed ramp increases.

Do not buy an Accuwedge. It will be a waste of money. Your rifle, and in fact all M4 type rifles, are designed and built for “combat” accuracy. Think “minute of man”.

Your barrel and chamber are designed to reliably feed, fire and extract dirty, corroded and out of spec ammunition.

Your barrel twist rate is not optimal for most of the ammunition weights (actually lengths) that you are shooting.

Your bolt is not fitted to your barrel, but may become more so over time with shooting, although that in itself will cause other issues.

“Milspec” ammunition is by contract, only required to be accurate to within 2 to 4 moa. The stuff that is sold as surplus may not even meet those standards, either due to manufacturing or long term storage issues.

Additionally, the rifle is designed to be taken apart in a hurry without using a mallet and punch. By all accounts, if you were to examine a batch of government inspected, and accepted, Colt M4s, you would be amazed by the amount and variation in upper/lower play.

If you had a stainless steel, match barrel, with hand fitted bolt, shooting ammunition loaded for your specific barrel (at that specific time), then you could look at upper/lower fit. However, there is no hard evidence to suggest that it will make a difference even then, despite some people swearing by it.

The AR is not a bolt gun, and even then, no one has ever suggested bedding a bolt gun using rubber. If you are that concerned with upper/lower play, and you have overcome all of the above issues, try using a thin layer of J-B Weld (or similar) on the upper rim of your lower, and in the area around the rear upper lug, and then dremmel/sand until you get a fit to your liking.

The one good thing about so many people purchasing Norincos, is that maybe we will finally get away from all the sillyness around “fit and finish”, as people realize that how pretty a rifle looks has no bearing on how reliably it functions.

Make sure your receiver end plate is properly staked, as well as your gas key bolts, and keep the rifle well lubed.

Regards.

Mark
 
CanadianReich said:
What do you think of the irons that came with it? Im a classic irons kinda guy, the type that you see on a handgun, not these "peep" sights.

Ive used peep sights before and they were easy to use...on a 22 rifle. The sights on this thing I cant even sight-in!! It shot to the right when I first got it and still shoots to the right now, regardless where I put the rear sights.

I know, its me not the gun....h

Ive tried placing my face further/closer to the sights using the adjustable stock, not much help. I think its the rear aperture/sight thats the issue with me. Its big...even the small one...my eyes simply ignore it and use the front sight only.

Ideas?

Is it me and my noobishness, the irons themself, or other?

Maybe ill go red dot but it seems like the cheaters way out.

cant even get my gun sighted lol....gah.

Im using those military targets with the squares on them too to try to adjust my sights...shows you how many clicks to move to fix shot placement etc.
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Canadian where do you shoot in N.S?

Use a Bench Rest for zeroing and make sure the Stock castle nut is tight. They are not staked and will frustrate the most seasoned shooter on losening. adjust stock lenght till you can comfortably touch your nose on the charging handle. I hold same position on the Bench rest that i will use offhand, for a consistant zero in all four positions.

I use the 200 yd Battle zero idea for my Rifle. The front post will generously cover a 11/59 target at 200yds.

Get the mechanical zero for your rifle(in stickys i believe here, or on noobtube), and then do this........

Using the 50yd sight in target, and after you establish correct windage with the rear sight windage adjustment at 50yds, adjust your rear sight 3 clicks down from the 300/600 setting. Now shoot your groups, adjusting the front sight(down to move POI up,up to move POI down etc) till you are striking approx 1 inch high at the 50 yd target.

This is your 200 yard zero!

Your rifle will strike point of aim at 200 yds. I have confirmed this with mine.

This zero should also work for Battle sight use now, on the 300,400,500,600 settings etc(I have not confirmed at 300/400, range still in development state). Remember beyond 200yds, it will be close, but not bull's eye accurate, in elevation. Only shooting these distances and knowing your actual come ups will do that.

If you PM me , maybe we can get together on our Range, or yours, to compare notes. I am not an AR pro:redface: but I do know aperture sights and I have tried to read every US Army/Marine Corp, marksmanship paper i could get. .They know this platform.

Anyhow good shooting. Let me know how you make out.:canadaFlag:
 
MWL said:
Nice write up. Good range report and photos.

You may be able to resolve some of your feeding issues by not hanging onto the mag while shooting. Doing so can pull the front of the mag down, and will lead to feeding issues, as the angle between the ammo held by the mag lips and the feed ramp increases.

Do not buy an Accuwedge. It will be a waste of money. Your rifle, and in fact all M4 type rifles, are designed and built for “combat” accuracy. Think “minute of man”.

Your barrel and chamber are designed to reliably feed, fire and extract dirty, corroded and out of spec ammunition.

Your barrel twist rate is not optimal for most of the ammunition weights (actually lengths) that you are shooting.

Your bolt is not fitted to your barrel, but may become more so over time with shooting, although that in itself will cause other issues.

“Milspec” ammunition is by contract, only required to be accurate to within 2 to 4 moa. The stuff that is sold as surplus may not even meet those standards, either due to manufacturing or long term storage issues.

Additionally, the rifle is designed to be taken apart in a hurry without using a mallet and punch. By all accounts, if you were to examine a batch of government inspected, and accepted, Colt M4s, you would be amazed by the amount and variation in upper/lower play.

If you had a stainless steel, match barrel, with hand fitted bolt, shooting ammunition loaded for your specific barrel (at that specific time), then you could look at upper/lower fit. However, there is no hard evidence to suggest that it will make a difference even then, despite some people swearing by it.

The AR is not a bolt gun, and even then, no one has ever suggested bedding a bolt gun using rubber. If you are that concerned with upper/lower play, and you have overcome all of the above issues, try using a thin layer of J-B Weld (or similar) on the upper rim of your lower, and in the area around the rear upper lug, and then dremmel/sand until you get a fit to your liking.

The one good thing about so many people purchasing Norincos, is that maybe we will finally get away from all the sillyness around “fit and finish”, as people realize that how pretty a rifle looks has no bearing on how reliably it functions.

Make sure your receiver end plate is properly staked, as well as your gas key bolts, and keep the rifle well lubed.

Regards.

Mark
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Great bit of reading Mark. Thanks
 
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