For people who want an alternative, I've been looking for either the Weatherby SA 459 TR ( listed @ $699) or the Hatsen ($499) Both are made in Turkey. The reason I like the Hatsen is because I had the pump version and it was cheap, ($350) reliable and kicked like a freakin' mule with 3" magnums. I traded it in on the VZ58 Super Short seen in my avatar....mainly because I wanted a semi-auto shotgun as I'm getting too old and tired to cycle a pump...lol. Yesterday, I found that SFRC has a shipment of Hatsen Optima MP-A TS's coming in a couple of weeks. They are enroute now and as of this morning, there are 11 left for pre-order. Get em fast...because they will all be scooped up soon. They are listed @ $499...which, I think, is a really good price. I've already watched YouTube videos on dis assembly etc and am looking forward to getting it. Too bad we aren't allowed the 2 shot extension's, though.