Norinco NP-22 or Sig 226?

I say get the real deal(I did). I have had poor luck with norinco and will never ever buy one again, especialy online. Definately not one with any cracking aloy frames.

I can't see how a sig would fail to fire, unless it was out of battery, or improper disasemble/asemble. Mine has been 100% reliable when I don't get lee liquid alox all over the cases(my reloads),and even then it was 4 jambs in 600. It even feeds strait wc bullets(swc bullets seated backwards)
 
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In any event consider that SIGARMS thinks 5,000 rds is enough to break in a P226, whereas 5,000rds is about the lifespan of an NP22.
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Excellent quote. I've handled and shot the NP22, and own the P226R - there really is no comparison in fit/finish/reliability. The NP22 felt about $800 cheaper in my hands, YMMV.

(I've got no anti-Nork agenda, I bought a 1911 for my own practice "gunsmithing.")
 
snipz said:
hey guys...I have a NP-34 and have about 1500 rnds through it so far...I put 100 rnds through it today and 4 or 5 times the slide didnt go all the way forward and i had to manually push it forward about a 1/2 inch....What could be the problem here??
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Check the recoil spring, it may be toast. Does the slide still snap forward smartly when you release the slide catch? Check the mag. Does this happen with all mags? Try a new one. Are you using reloads? Are they sized right? Are the bullets seated correctly?
 
NP-34 problem

hey man....The slide does snap forward smartly when i release the catch...I dont reload...I've only used 115gr FMJ in this pistol...but it could be one of the mags...Next time I'm out shooting I'll see if it happens on 1 mag only then I'll know....How could the mag cause this??..thanks..Wes
 
I don't think I would trust the norc aluminum frame. If it were steel I would be inclined to strip the pistol down to its bits clean & polish 'er up and replace all of the norc springs with the sig ones. I have an older german made Sig that I refurbed myself and that thing works flawlessly. PS If you guys have either the norc or the sig get the armourer DVD and DIY.
 
Torn

Hi,
I used to have a Sig, now I have two Norinco Knock offs, among a cabinet full of other hardware. The Norincos are put together pretty well and after firing thousands of rounds I have not had a stoppage. Would I trust my life to one............Maybe, would I spend 800.00 for a better mark on the side of the gun.....NO. I think I like the barrel in the Norinco may be better by the way.

If it works have fun with it!
Steve
 
I beg to differ

redleg said:
Not sure why SIGARMS would tell you to lock the slide to the rear if the gun was not firing, that sounds like a mainspring issue not a recoil spring problem. I would have recommended a stronger mainspring. I guess you spoke to the wrong person.
In any event consider that SIGARMS thinks 5,000 rds is enough to break in a P226, whereas 5,000rds is about the lifespan of an NP22.
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Strangely enough, after 5300 rounds of mostly cast bullets
at 1150 fps.(125gr.) my NP 22 still shows no sign of wear.
I bought it last year in March. It always worked.
My 2nd. Norinco NP22 was bought a month ago and had it's first
400 rounds through today in cooler weather (minus 5 C) and I tried to
torture it with 5 loaded mags shooting very fast at a metal dueling tree at
2o Meters. Within the next 3 month I intent to "shoot it to pieces" if I can.

Needless to repeat here what happened to my older SIG Sauer 226.
after 5000 rounds. It was broken in allright and then started breaking up.
Yes, you told me I had bad luck with it. What I had to do and did, I explained elsewhere.
Now will order a slide for my SIG Sauer from Norinco and put
it on my 226 frame where I machined a new short right rail from steel
and inserted it there. I put the Norinco slide on it today with 100 rds. through it
and it is holding well. Accuracy the same.How long it will last
I do not know. Then I will have 3 "SIG Sauers" , and 2 of them in "disguise".
 
Just another thought,
You could replace a Norinco maybe 3 and a half times for the price of a Sig, When you look at it that way there will be a lot of rounds down range. Not Slamming the Sig though, had one and loved it, probably will pick up another soon!
 
Stop buying garbage... you want a Tasco or a Leupold? Norinco or Sig. Leave Chinese Knockoff Junk in China. Garbage. GAAARRRRBAGE.
I think they should be in Jail for their Thievery to boot.:mad:
 
Globetrotter said:
Strangely enough, after 5300 rounds of mostly cast bullets
at 1150 fps.(125gr.) my NP 22 still shows no sign of wear.
I bought it last year in March. It always worked.
My 2nd. Norinco NP22 was bought a month ago and had it's first
400 rounds through today in cooler weather (minus 5 C) and I tried to
torture it with 5 loaded mags shooting very fast at a metal dueling tree at
2o Meters. Within the next 3 month I intent to "shoot it to pieces" if I can.

Needless to repeat here what happened to my older SIG Sauer 226.
after 5000 rounds. It was broken in allright and then started breaking up.
Yes, you told me I had bad luck with it. What I had to do and did, I explained elsewhere.
Now will order a slide for my SIG Sauer from Norinco and put
it on my 226 frame where I machined a new short right rail from steel
and inserted it there. I put the Norinco slide on it today with 100 rds. through it
and it is holding well. Accuracy the same.How long it will last
I do not know. Then I will have 3 "SIG Sauers" , and 2 of them in "disguise".
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Not to pick nits, but you claimed your SIG was used, so you really have no idea how many rounds went through it.
Secondly, when dealing with metal wear, we are not talking about all parts breaking at exactly 5,000 loads. We are talking about a representative bell curve of failures. The Norinco curve sits much farther left. Don't take my word for it. Several others on this site have had norinco frames fail, and the total number of guns in circulation is relatively small. On the other hand there are many times more SIGs in circulation. Often they are ex RCMP tactical guns with huge round counts through them. And yet there are relatively few frame failures noted.
Sorry those are the facts. Good luck with your experiments.
 
Reaper has a 226 with over 100,000 rounds through it......I think he wore a mag out but the gun is still original parts/springs.
 
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redleg said:
Not to pick nits, but you claimed your SIG was used, so you really have no idea how many rounds went through it.
Secondly, when dealing with metal wear, we are not talking about all parts breaking at exactly 5,000 loads. We are talking about a representative bell curve of failures. The Norinco curve sits much farther left. Don't take my word for it. Several others on this site have had norinco frames fail, and the total number of guns in circulation is relatively small. On the other hand there are many times more SIGs in circulation. Often they are ex RCMP tactical guns with huge round counts through them. And yet there are relatively few frame failures noted.
Sorry those are the facts. Good luck with your experiments.
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Thank you !

My SIG SAUER was bought brand new.
My experiment so far has worked well.
I had nothing to loose. No one will replace my frame.
Let us see now how long it will last. Will keep you informed.
It may always be good for a smile or two!
 
Update on "machined rail insert on SIG 226 frame

The SIG 226 frame with machined and inserted steel rail
(see pictures above) and with Norinco NP22 slide has fired as of today
another 600 rounds of 9 mm without any failure and without any friction anywhere. Accuracy still pretty good (3" at 15 Meters).
Very cold weather and deep snow on range prevented more extensive
testing at longer range and longer sessions.

Should there be any future failure, it will definitively be posted here
at once.
For those who think the aluminum NP22 frames are not as strong or good as
the original SIG-226, may I point out that by drilling through the triggerguard
to install a set-screw to limit trigger back-lash, I found it to be the same tough aluminum as the SIG. Must be the same aero-space alum. in the 7075 class or better.
So far - so good.
 
Hitzy said:
Reaper has a 226 with over 100,000 rounds through it......I think he wore a mag out but the gun is still original parts/springs.
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When the US Government tested the Beretta and SIG Sauer side by side,
there were already rail separations after less than 10 000 rounds, but was
still considered an excellent performer, as it kept on shooting that way till
the end.

SIG-ARMS in the US considers 30 000 rounds a maximum and insist on replacing springs etc. to continue its service life.

100 000 rounds through one single SIG-Sauer without failure ??? Well, now..
 
Quite the dilemna but I hear nothing wrong with the Norinco really...I was in the same boat, about to make a decision but am going with the Glock 17 (good deal came my way). My gut tells me allways that "you get what you pay for".
Let us know how you make out!
 
canuckgunny said:
Stop buying garbage... you want a Tasco or a Leupold? Norinco or Sig. Leave Chinese Knockoff Junk in China. Garbage. GAAARRRRBAGE.
I think they should be in Jail for their Thievery to boot.:mad:
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Label me a gun snob, but i agree
 
Your resale value will always be good with an authentic Sig and your market will be bigger. More people will be looking for good used Sigs than Norcs.
 
Globetrotter said:
When the US Government tested the Beretta and SIG Sauer side by side,
there were already rail separations after less than 10 000 rounds, but was
still considered an excellent performer, as it kept on shooting that way till
the end.

SIG-ARMS in the US considers 30 000 rounds a maximum and insist on replacing springs etc. to continue its service life.

100 000 rounds through one single SIG-Sauer without failure ??? Well, now..
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And all SIG frames were reengineered as a result. So frames with serial numbers above U200,000 don't suffer from the same problems. SIG also recommends changing the springs every 5,000rds which is a good policy for any gun.

I have run half a dozen P226s to approximately 100,000rds on the range. The norincos never get close.
 
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