Normal Looking spent cartridge?

The RAR firing pin is designed to strike slightly inward as horsemans cz does and should not extend all the way too the outside of the rim, pinching the edge of the solid rim is waste of energy. His does seem excessive, the ammo doesnt help anything either

seems somewhat common for the RAR, more than a few threads floating around,

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lots of talk of weak and/or inward hits
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I pulled the bullet off one of my failed Browning cartridges. A friend who knows more than I pointed out that inside at the strike point, there is no firing primer. It is 2 o'clock in this photo. Will have to research (by taking more apart) if it flaked off or if it was never there. I put it in the vise and struck the other side with a chisel and it flashed off.
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Did you check the powder you dumped out of that case for remnants of primer compound? Maybe the hit from the hammer made it flake away? Maybe its too far inbound to hit the other half of the rim and detonate so it just broke away some compound that then fell into the case?

I'd pull more of the missfires and see whats up with them after seeing this.
 
There is some remnants of the primer. Some green flakes in the others I took apart. The gun was purchased via mail order from SFRC.com so hard to get them to look at it.
 
mb571 said:
I pulled the bullet off one of my failed Browning cartridges. A friend who knows more than I pointed out that inside at the strike point, there is no firing primer. It is 2 o'clock in this photo. Will have to research (by taking more apart) if it flaked off or if it was never there. I put it in the vise and struck the other side with a chisel and it flashed off.
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Yeah if you’re finding flakes of primer amongst the powder, then it’s pretty clear the firing pin is just smashing the bottom of the case and knocking the primer off in flakes.

A more “outboard” strike wouldn’t do that, as the primer would get pinched in the rim and would have nowhere to go.

You could pull some fresh rounds and compare to the misfires.

I think we’re past troubleshooting at this point though. I’d bet dollars to donuts all those misfire would go bang if dropped into another rifle...
 
Of the 27 rimfires I've owned over the years, I've never seen a firing pin imprint like that. I understood it was the rim that needed to be crushed because the priming compound wasn't all over the base bottom but spun into the rim.

Yes, try different ammo because clearly your rifle is proven to be very sensitive to different brands. That's way too many FTFs.
 
kamlooky said:
If you purchased this rifle new, take it back to the dealer.
There is no way those are normal foot prints on the case head.
Find another 22 and fire them off and I'll bet they will fire.
Make sure the firing pin hits a different area.

What a pizz-awff.
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^^^^ Agree and take some spent cases with you.. they should exchange it
 
Grouse Man said:
Of the 27 rimfires I've owned over the years, I've never seen a firing pin imprint like that. I understood it was the rim that needed to be crushed because the priming compound wasn't all over the base bottom but spun into the rim.

Yes, try different ammo because clearly your rifle is proven to be very sensitive to different brands. That's way too many FTFs.
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Even with the other ammo, 3 ftf out of 60 rds of American Eagle/federal is too much - I've shot a few thousand rounds of those and have had only a few ftf. Never had a CCI standard not fire either, but I've only gone through maybe 500rds of that.
 
I spoke to a couple folk today. SFRC.com where it was bought...they said I could run a brick of CCI Mini Mags through it as a test. I also called the Ruger Canadian service center in Montreal and they said to send it to them. Kind of a drag seeing I've only had the thing for just over a week. Here is a photo of the end of my firing pin:

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mb571 said:
I spoke to a couple folk today. SFRC.com where it was bought...they said I could run a brick of CCI Mini Mags through it as a test. I also called the Ruger Canadian service center in Montreal and they said to send it to them. Kind of a drag seeing I've only had the thing for just over a week. Here is a photo of the end of my firing pin:

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I don’t think running a brick of CCI is the answer. Sure, maybe it’s got more of a better, sensitive priming compound, that will compensate for the poor pin strikes, but that doesn’t fix the problem. It just means you have to buy pricey ammo for the rest of your life.

If you’re going to try anything, buy the cheapest, crappiest ammo you can find, and split it between your rifle and someone else’s that’s known to be reliable. If your rifle is functioning properly, then it’ll have about the same number of FTFs as the other rifle. But if the other rifle eats through most of the cheap ammo with only a few FTFs, while yours chokes on every other round, then clearly your rifle isn’t doing it’s job.

Or just send it back right away. I think you have plenty of proof that it’s out of spec.
 
mb571 said:
I had not received my PAL in the mail yet when all the Boxing week sales were on. So a friend mail ordered from theammosource.com (from Ontario and we are in BC) and held on to it till I got my PAL last week. Guess that is the rub...getting a good deal via mail order. Will certainly be looking into some of the suggestions such as cleaning and lubing the bolt assembly (will have to research the parts). I think ammo will play a role too but think I will still see some FTF's with good ammo.
Is it a story worth contacting Ruger over?
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Contact the store you bought it from first.
See what they are going to tell you.
And if they tell you “ they all do this” well then it is time to contact Ruger and find another store to shop at.
Rob
 
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FLHTCUI said:
Contact the store you bought it from first.
See what they are going to tell you.
And if they tell you “ they do this” well then it is time to contact Ruger and find another store to shop at.
Rob
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Right here:

mb571 said:
I spoke to a couple folk today. SFRC.com where it was bought...they said I could run a brick of CCI Mini Mags through it as a test. I also called the Ruger Canadian service center in Montreal and they said to send it to them. Kind of a drag seeing I've only had the thing for just over a week.
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mb571 said:
I spoke to a couple folk today. SFRC.com where it was bought...they said I could run a brick of CCI Mini Mags through it as a test. I also called the Ruger Canadian service center in Montreal and they said to send it to them. Kind of a drag seeing I've only had the thing for just over a week. Here is a photo of the end of my firing pin:

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Contact Ruger again, and see if they will send you a replacement firing pin; send them the above photo. If that is a no-go, then send them the rifle. Be prepared for a wait; a friend of mine bought a brand new Mk IV pistol (the ones with the safety recall) and sent it to the service center in Montreal, and got his back just under 6 months later. Try the firing pin exchange first.
 
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