No spring to go thwang... but there are all those *CLACKS* over and over and over again. I couldn't stand the 1377 for that. Even after fitting relatively soft koa wood forend and grip, reducing the plastic echo of the clack, it was still too annoying. My little brother doesn't really shoot it either. Sure it's dead-nutz accurate, surprisingly so, but not worth the effort and noise.
Not many people into airguns?
- Thread starter bigHUN
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Pumping does get annoying, be it a multi pump or pcp with a hand pump. Was a guy from NS that was making a SSP 22 cal. That shot over 650 fps. But no company wanted to build it.
Well aware of the 362, I have one with a steel beech. Just haven't finished it. Adding a better bolt knob and probe, and filling in the beech screw hole to prevent pellets from snagging.
Gerard, Yes the Clacks !! I put a piece of conduit in place of the fore-end to get some leverage but it's still noisy. Quite the Bubba-look tho . . . And Princess had a sale on CO2 so I bought the Artemis CP-1 and lots of CO2
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sillymike
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Hello, my name is Mike and I also happened to like airguns...
This being said, I don't bring them to the range, as one of the joy of airguns is to shoot them at home (and yes, I live at the edge of nowhere)
I like to tinker, play mechanic and don't want to collect guns that cannot deliver what I am expecting.
I got my first PCP in .25 cal - the most difficult to learn how to tune and mod. And I made it through alive
and feels soo good.
At my bench, shooting rings at 100 meters, with pellets !!!
btw, pellets were around for many decades but these never meant to be shot to 100 meters. And we can do it if we do a bit of homework.
I tried the other 50 meter target lane several times. For me 50 meter or shorter is boring distance.
The monthly average group size (from thousands of shots) is about 1.25" MOA, some days all stars aligned for subMOA and some days a real clusterf@ck we don't want to talk about.
With a PCP all it takes to turn couple knobs, one for hammer spring one for valve stop one for Reg and I can change the speed in 5 fps increments if I want to but a 10 is pretty norm .... What is a Standard Deviation if you do your own reloading?
Rimfire cannot reload, right? But can you do resize ?
Edit: I wanted to get one of those pumpers for my travels up North, but don't like long guns.
I got my first PCP in .25 cal - the most difficult to learn how to tune and mod. And I made it through alive
and feels soo good.At my bench, shooting rings at 100 meters, with pellets !!!
btw, pellets were around for many decades but these never meant to be shot to 100 meters. And we can do it if we do a bit of homework.
I tried the other 50 meter target lane several times. For me 50 meter or shorter is boring distance.
The monthly average group size (from thousands of shots) is about 1.25" MOA, some days all stars aligned for subMOA and some days a real clusterf@ck we don't want to talk about.
With a PCP all it takes to turn couple knobs, one for hammer spring one for valve stop one for Reg and I can change the speed in 5 fps increments if I want to but a 10 is pretty norm .... What is a Standard Deviation if you do your own reloading?
Rimfire cannot reload, right? But can you do resize ?
Edit: I wanted to get one of those pumpers for my travels up North, but don't like long guns.
Gerard, Yes the Clacks !! I put a piece of conduit in place of the fore-end to get some leverage but it's still noisy. Quite the Bubba-look tho . . . And Princess had a sale on CO2 so I bought the Artemis CP-1 and lots of CO2
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Yup, that wins the 'Bubba' award for sure. Oooof, that is hard on the eyes. Now, can you still slip while pumping and pinch some flesh between the charging handle and the barrel assembly every so often so that you get to cuss a bunch, or is that taken care of as well?
- Location
- Nova Scotia
I like to tinker, play mechanic and don't want to collect guns that cannot deliver what I am expecting.
I got my first PCP in .25 cal - the most difficult to learn how to tune and mod. And I made it through alive
At my bench, shooting rings at 100 meters, with pellets !!!
btw, pellets were around for many decades but these never meant to be shot to 100 meters. And we can do it if we do a bit of homework.
I tried the other 50 meter target lane several times. For me 50 meter or shorter is boring distance.
The monthly average group size (from thousands of shots) is about 1.25" MOA, some days all stars aligned for subMOA and some days a real clusterf@ck we don't want to talk about.
With a PCP all it takes to turn couple knobs, one for hammer spring one for valve stop one for Reg and I can change the speed in 5 fps increments if I want to but a 10 is pretty norm .... What is a Standard Deviation if you do your own reloading?
Rimfire cannot reload, right? But can you do resize ?
Edit: I wanted to get one of those pumpers for my travels up North, but don't like long guns.
Airguns are not firearms. Cannot compare it to reloading either. Plus even if you get 0 SD, you still won't get a single hole group. As there are other factors. Wind for example. No offense, but you dont make a great case for airguns. You come off as everybody should comply to you, ranges should comply as it's just an airgun, that you should be allowed in all events. You comes off as better than firearm shooters. Yes if you spend 3k on an airgun you want to believe it is the best. You don't get the traction you like, you take your ball and go home.
You will never see Airguns and firearms competing in the same events. Same as you wont see rimfire vs centerfire.
You want to make change? Join a club, be a contributing member, guage and build up the intrest, then bring it up thru the club. Then join a club, they dont do what you want and then expect them to change for a single member. We had a single member that wanted the club to build a dynamic range for tactical style shooting. If not, use ranges that was not built for it, because he did some in the military. When had no idea the restrictions the club has. Then when he wasnt able to do it, Took his ball and went home. Not every range is suited for all type of shooting.
Wish you hadn't brought that gun up. lol It was a 362 I was about to buy when I saw the 392 come up, and on this forum. The amount of time that passed between when I bought and tried it was too big (in my estimation) to take the seller to task. Gun is effectively impossible to pump, and I'm almost 6' tall, pushing 275lbs.
Should I try a 362? Probably, but the next move will probably be the last one....I've struck-out too many times. Too many attempts/too much $.
I agree with you completely. We just leisure talking
what else to do, still winter at my place...and this is a airgun subforum anyway, visiting people only who have something to share I didn't wanted to make a case or convince anybody, I just wanted to tell my story why I like airguns. Because more challenging.
Any shooting sport is a science of tinkering also training the mental.
Anybody could pick up a tip of the hill rimfire for example (with best available amo) and start poking single holes @ 100?? I don't think it is working that way. You could pickup a Ferrari or a Bugatti today that doesn't mean you know how to drive it.
In ordinary 100 meters LR22 club level some airguns can come pretty close to rimfire scores with some homework and effort. Not there yet to compete 1:1 but pretty close. But also I know some examples where an airhead won @ the LR22 tournaments ... Take Thomasair for example, even if I would have a money to buy one that doesn't mean I would be a "good" shooter, but that machine is very capable.
As a side note again, What I mentioned the "reloading" that takes a bit more tinkering too, faster or more power or resizing - you know the game ... you prepare couple dozen projectiles and head out to the range and turns out your primer ratio was not the best... My Impact I can turn the knobs right there at the bench and sometimes working well but sometimes is a real nightmare ...
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My opinion is that springers up to ~HW95 power levels is a good sweet spot. Good power without having to clack-clack-clack, easy to ####, easy to shoot accurately, reliable, and inherently much quieter than PCP / multipumps. Avoid the stuff rated >1000 FPS.
HW30 or a soft sprung HW50 (Maccari indoor plinker kit) / HW95 are sweet shooters.
I certainly am into airguns and prefer to shoot squirrels pests and plink with them. They are not terribly popular at my range though but I bring them out every now and then. As your near the GTA field target is quite popular up that way. Here is a list of clubs.
https://www. fieldtargetcanada.ca/index.php/ft-clubs/
I have a small collection German made spring air rifles as well as a couple pistols which I usually shoot in my basement or on the farm at cans. I have a Weihrauch HW95 with a 4-12 scope which is an all around good rifle for accuracy and pests as well as a Diana 34 classic with Iron sights. For pistols I use an HW45 and an HW40.
FT is not very popular here so never went the PCP route. As loud as they are and the need for a tank I just shoot rimfire on paper instead.
I am not an airguns only kind of person as I have a lot of other firearms but a simple pleasure for me is a sunny day, lawn chair, cold drink, a field full of reactive targets and an airgun.
https://www. fieldtargetcanada.ca/index.php/ft-clubs/
I have a small collection German made spring air rifles as well as a couple pistols which I usually shoot in my basement or on the farm at cans. I have a Weihrauch HW95 with a 4-12 scope which is an all around good rifle for accuracy and pests as well as a Diana 34 classic with Iron sights. For pistols I use an HW45 and an HW40.
FT is not very popular here so never went the PCP route. As loud as they are and the need for a tank I just shoot rimfire on paper instead.
I am not an airguns only kind of person as I have a lot of other firearms but a simple pleasure for me is a sunny day, lawn chair, cold drink, a field full of reactive targets and an airgun.
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Reasons to like air guns
1 got my first one when I was knee high to a gopher
2 didn’t shoot my eye out but one of my fingers was sore for a while, no more to be said
3 can shoot in the basement anytime for 10 m , sweet when there’s 3 feet of snow and howling winds
4 can pop off local rats, squirrels and other pests
5 don’t break the bank
6 can start the grandkids off with them
7 just plain fun
8 have pistols and rifles pump and spring and enjoy them even with their quirks
9 found that pump and spring worked better for me than co2 cartridges but the cartridges made for good “ rocket engines” along a line between 2 posts
10 great for shooting strike anywhere matches at an angle against brick or concrete but have since grown out of that lol!
1 got my first one when I was knee high to a gopher
2 didn’t shoot my eye out but one of my fingers was sore for a while, no more to be said
3 can shoot in the basement anytime for 10 m , sweet when there’s 3 feet of snow and howling winds
4 can pop off local rats, squirrels and other pests
5 don’t break the bank
6 can start the grandkids off with them
7 just plain fun
8 have pistols and rifles pump and spring and enjoy them even with their quirks
9 found that pump and spring worked better for me than co2 cartridges but the cartridges made for good “ rocket engines” along a line between 2 posts
10 great for shooting strike anywhere matches at an angle against brick or concrete but have since grown out of that lol!
- Location
- Nova Scotia
But you still got that slamming forward piston that changes now you have to shoot them. I mean I got a QB 87 whatever was the Diana 52 clone that is mild to shoot. But still subject to the springer woes.
I have a Ruger Blackhawk (Airhawk in synth) 495fps .177-pellet and it's quite accurate out to 20-yds or so, but I find the .177 drops quickly after that and is very 'wind sensitive'. The 'low-power' spring does have less 'recoil-bounce' but I shot 'Halifax rats' at 10 feet and they just smiled ;-P Not very effective on those 'survivors', but Hell on pigeons. I now save the pigeons in my yard for when the price of chicken goes too high
- Location
- Nova Scotia
I have a Ruger Blackhawk (Airhawk in synth) 495fps .177-pellet and it's quite accurate out to 20-yds or so, but I find the .177 drops quickly after that and is very 'wind sensitive'. The 'low-power' spring does have less 'recoil-bounce' but I shot 'Halifax rats' at 10 feet and they just smiled ;-P Not very effective on those 'survivors', but Hell on pigeons. I now save the pigeons in my yard for when the price of chicken goes too high
Airguns are weird. I smoked a crow with a under 500 fps Beeman, peigons with a browning buckmark air pistol at close range. But then you get a pigeon at 30 yards fly off after being smoked by a 700 fps in the dome. It hit soo loud mom neighbour heard it.
Why I always use 22 for pesting.
Most of the pigeons I've shot have been with .22 wadcutters. Seem that if any velocity is involved, the pellets are passing through anyway. Might as well bust things up in there. As for flying away after getting smoked-I hear you. lol Like any hunting/pesting=you do it enough, you're bound to see some interesting things. I aim for the base of the neck, but they're nervous/jittery birds..especially after you take the first shot. lol
- Location
- Nova Scotia
Why not just get a electric trigger actuator and camera mount, so you can just sit on a lazy boy.
When you get to that point are you even shooting? As you are just playing weather man.
When you get to that point are you even shooting? As you are just playing weather man.
