Notice to S&W M&P 15-22 Rifle Owners

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This past week we've had communication with the RCMP Firearms Investigative & Enforcement Services Directorate (the old Tables Section) about a new ruling they've just issued which will affect all owners of S&W M&P 15-22 Rifles.

Here is the new information that they have just posted to the FRT # for both the M&P 15-22 and the M&P 15-22P firearms:

  • there is a 25 shot magazine available for this Model Firearm.
  • this firearm Model is manufactured in both rifle and handgun configurations. The magazine is interchangeable between the two configurations and is considered a "handgun" magazine. Because handguns are limited to a ten shot magazine capacity in accordance with the CC PART III, S.84, Regulations PART 4 Para 3.(1)(b) "The Former Cartridge Magazine Control Regulations", this limits the magazine capacity for the rifle configuration to ten (10) shots, despite the firearm being designed to use rim-fire ammunition.

When I first heard of this new ruling I was astounded and could not understand the basis for their decision, but after listening to the reasoning for the ruling I have to say they have foundation. Unfortunately S&W themselves have been promoting, advertising and publishing that the 25 round magazine was designed and manufactured for BOTH the handgun and the rifle... and they show in their catalogue for 2010 the handgun/pistol 15-22P with the 25 round magazine... so there was little choice but to classify the magazine as a handgun magazine and that meant it was limited to 10 rounds under Canadian law. Simply put S&W made a mistake in their advertising and promotion of the magazine.

RCMP have declared that the 25 round magazine is a "Prohibited Device" if it holds more than 10 shots. You may therefore be in possession of "Prohibited Devices".

It is our understanding that the CFO's acrross Canada are being notified of this decision next week. We have already sent a written request to the Ontario CFO to ask for their direction as to whether the magazines currently in country and in possession can be "pinned" to comply with this new ruling. We will update this thread when we have received an official response.

If you are in possession of these magazines you may wish to be pro-active and contact your CFO rather than wait for someone to contact you.

For those that may think we're just spreading rumour... I did get a written confirmation of this ruling and status directly from the RCMP Department involved... it is confirmed... it is NOT a mistake.

Also... this ruling ONLY affects the S&W 25 round rimfire magazine Part #404850000 and is NOT applicable to other makes or models of magazines.

Mark
 
I haven't checked the law yet...but I'm guessing handgun mag restrictions aren't determined based on a rim-fire/center fire cartridge?
 
But when we purchased the rifle the mags where fine or did the RCMP drop the ball as well when they looked at it. So they just turned hundreds or more law abiding citizens into criminals. In my opinion we should all receive prohib status because we purchased the weapon within the guidelins set by the RCMP.
 
I haven't checked the law yet...but I'm guessing handgun mag restrictions aren't determined based on a rim-fire/center fire cartridge?

Easiest way to explain it is that there is an exemption to capacity limits for rim-fire rifle magazines but that exemption does NOT apply to rim-fire handgun magazines... so they are still limited to 10 shots.

The problem here is that it appears that S&W always intended and built the magazine for their handgun AND their rifle so they themselves acknowledged and confirmed it was a "handgun" magazine.

The issue never really came up until S&W started finally shipping the Pistol version of the firearm and then it all came to light.

Mark
 
what a bunch of bs - wouldn't this ruling be the same for the keltec pistol that accepts s&w magazines as well?

Please understand, the ruling is not about a specific firearm it is about a specific magazine... the S&W 25 round rim-fire magazine is being declared a "Prohibited Device" because they ruled it to be a handgun magazine and therefore limited by law to 10 shots.

The status of the magazine is not dependent on what firearm you use it in.

The laws are stupid but the ruling is actually based in facts and not unreasonable.

Mark
 
Please understand, the ruling is not about a specific firearm it is about a specific magazine... the S&W 25 round rim-fire magazine is being declared a "Prohibited Device" because they ruled it to be a handgun magazine and therefore limited by law to 10 shots.

The status of the magazine is not dependent of what firearm you use it in.

The laws are stupid but the ruling is actually based in facts and not unreasonable.

Mark

so the thread could technically be addressed to kel-tec owners as well! just trying to make sure people don't get busted for something stupid like this
 
I haven't checked the law yet...but I'm guessing handgun mag restrictions aren't determined based on a rim-fire/center fire cartridge?

When the law regarding magazine capacities was drafted, we were caught a bit flat footed. We had understood that an exemption for rimfire firearms was a given. After third reading, we realized that no such exemption existed for rimfire handguns. At the time there were not a lot of 10+ rimfire handgun mags, but many listed at 10 rounds would in fact take 11.
 
The laws are stupid but the ruling is actually based in facts and not unreasonable.

Mark

I'd reword this to, "This ruling is grounded in the text of the law, and while the law itself may be stupid, this interpretation is regretably correct."
 
Given that the rifle was available first and thus the magazine is a rifle magazine that happens to fit in a pistol is there not room to fight this type of stupidity in court? I don't even care about the magazines I care about having to fix mistakes caused by the RCMP every time they step on their Peepee's.
 
Doesn't Ruger make a pistol version of the 10/22? (Challenger??) Will all those thousands of 25 round "hot lips" mags everybody shoots be prohib too? Our gun laws are a frickin' joke.
 
Not saying I like this ruling but you have to take the good with the bad. If this law didn't apply to these M&P magazines, then you also couldn't apply the same logic to 10rd LAR mags being legal for use in an AR15...
 
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