Notice to S&W M&P 15-22 Rifle Owners
- Thread starter Questar
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ColassalEntry
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- VANCOUVER!
why doesn't S&W just stamp that mag with "for use in RIFLE" on it. Bam Problem Solved. We all know it works in the pistol. Its like the LAR mag. We all know it works; no need to be advertised.
But the problem is that Smith manufactures both a rifle and a pistol version of the same firearm, and markets the same magazines for both. The horse has left the barn.
The LAR and Beretta pistol/rifle magazine situation has been formally approved by the powers that be. These are pistol magazines being used in rifles. That is why the LAR magazine is openly advertised and sold.
The catch with the Smith is that pistol magazines are limited to 10 rounds, and Smith is selling the M&P 15-22 magazines as pistol magazines.
The LAR and Beretta pistol/rifle magazine situation has been formally approved by the powers that be. These are pistol magazines being used in rifles. That is why the LAR magazine is openly advertised and sold.
The catch with the Smith is that pistol magazines are limited to 10 rounds, and Smith is selling the M&P 15-22 magazines as pistol magazines.
Ok after ruminating on this for a bit i've decided i'm willing to be the guinea pig on this if any of the legal eagles on here could answer a few questions. I'm willing to even fight this myself sans lawyer should finances limit that to my option. Mr. Morrison and mouthpiece, i'm talking to you guys 
My questions are as follows:
How do you start the ball rolling if the letter arrives?
Is the LAR mag decision not applicable to our benefit here?
Is this case winnable?
I just think that win or lose a precedent could be set here for some good and i need someone well versed in law to tell me if i'm right or wrong.
My questions are as follows:
How do you start the ball rolling if the letter arrives?
Is the LAR mag decision not applicable to our benefit here?
Is this case winnable?
I just think that win or lose a precedent could be set here for some good and i need someone well versed in law to tell me if i'm right or wrong.
NOT YET, Give them time to further screw us.
it IS as bad as you thought. Anything they do is bad, death by a 1000 cuts. Time to cut back.
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
Doesn't it come down to which was manufactured first? It shouldn't matter to Canadian Law how S&W advertises either of the two firearms.
If the LAR pistol mags were approved for use in a rifle as 10 shot magazines, doesn't the reverse of that stand to reason allowing unlimited rimfire ammunition capacity in a pistol?
I mean, if the 15-22 rifle was manufactured first and as the law stands now, rimfire rifles are allowed to have unlimited magazine capacity, shouldn't that same capacity be acceptable in the 15-22P, or any other pistol that magazine would fit? ... and not just 25 rounds, but UNLIMITED.
I say the RCMP dropped the ball on this one and and should be called on it.
If the LAR pistol mags were approved for use in a rifle as 10 shot magazines, doesn't the reverse of that stand to reason allowing unlimited rimfire ammunition capacity in a pistol?
I mean, if the 15-22 rifle was manufactured first and as the law stands now, rimfire rifles are allowed to have unlimited magazine capacity, shouldn't that same capacity be acceptable in the 15-22P, or any other pistol that magazine would fit? ... and not just 25 rounds, but UNLIMITED.
I say the RCMP dropped the ball on this one and and should be called on it.
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#1bcshooter
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(10 shot only because restricted rifles are limited to 10)...... ?
Not sure what you mean by this. Magazines designed and manufactured for automatic centrefire longarms are limited to 5 rounds, magazines designed and manufactured for pistols are limited to 10 rounds.
S&W (not Rem) sell three magazines for use in their 15-22 rifle and pistol: a short 10, a 25 blocked to 10 and a 25. The law is clear. Pistol magazines are limited to 10 rounds, and according to the manufacturer these are all pistol magazines.
Not sure what you mean by this. Magazines designed and manufactured for automatic centrefire longarms are limited to 5 rounds, magazines designed and manufactured for pistols are limited to 10 rounds.
S&W (not Rem) sell three magazines for use in their 15-22 rifle and pistol: a short 10, a 25 blocked to 10 and a 25. The law is clear. Pistol magazines are limited to 10 rounds, and according to the manufacturer these are all pistol magazines.
I'm not even sure what I was trying to say with that bold stuff in brackets above.They are pistol magazines because S&W says they are because they not only fit their rifle, but their pistol version too. But did the rifle version come to market first and the magazines were initially designed for the rifle?
You say the law is clear as it states pistol mags are limited to 10 shots. The AR15 was limited to 5 shots until it was passed that 10 shot LAR mags could be used because they were made for a pistol AR. Well, the S&W 25 rounders were made for a rifle and just so happen to fit the pistol.
Can the drum mags still be used in the pistol? Or are they just legal in the rifles.
After all, certain 40 caliber mags fit in a 9mm pistols and hold more than 10 rounds and that's legal. So the 10 shot limit with pistols is really not limited to 10 shots. There are exceptions. This should be another.
Just wait until they (CFO's of each province, RCMP, Toronto Police) "check" the registry to see who has these guns registered to them, then they show up at your door to see if you have the now prohib magazine. If you do, they will be confiscating all your guns. THIS is how far they will be let go. It saddens me to say it but this is how it will go. Innocent people will be turned into criminals overnight, loose all their guns, with no recourse. But remember, registration does not lead to confiscation. We as good law abiding Canadians will just be forced to bend over and take it.
notsorichguy
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I have one, and I have a few extra mags........
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
If they come knocking on my door, there will be something on the news..........
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
If they come knocking on my door, there will be something on the news..........
Sadly...
...I fear that what you say is a possibility....
Depending on how far along the RCMP's proposal is
, that might constitute a thread promoting unlawful activity....
I fired mine once....20 stove pipes and a full auto run.....sent it to md-charleton to be repaired and they've had it for 3 months and have done nothing to it...the firearm is garbage, now the mags have to be pinned? Bah anyone wan to buy this fine firearm from me ?(once I get the damn thing back)
The S&W magazines don't just happen to fit. They are designed and manufactured to fit.
The 9mm rounds in a 10mm magazine situation is irrelevant because the definition refers to the ammuniton for which the magazine is designed.
Will the aftermarket drum magazine or the Ruger carbine and pistol situation be the next to be examined? Who knows? If you read the information supplied by Questar, the ruling is specific to S&W magazines and S&W firearms.
