Notice to S&W M&P 15-22 Rifle Owners

[mmattockx]

Still, if he's the only recourse.....Seems to me that this is perfect opportunity for CSSA/NFA/CFI, whoever, to approach him with a rational presentation and seek a reversal of this obviously absurd anomaly. After all, this isn't even really a "black rifle", just a dressed up .22. Even Toews should be able to understand that it's fundamentally no different than thousands of other ones and that few, if any at all, have ever created any kind of public safety problem. I've got to believe that he is not totally immune to logic. And I don't think there would be any political repercussions given the overall situation and relative puniness of the issue.

You are giving a politician way too much credit. I don't think the CPC will touch it because of the optics, not because of any fundamental belief or lack of logic.

I don't think an OIC can be issued just to deal with this issue, I think it would have to be for all mag capacity limits and THAT is a huge hot button issue with the anti's and MSM #######s. Since centerfire limits are probably untouchable politically, I would like to see an OIC that removes all limits from ALL rimfires, handguns and otherwise. That would eliminate the M&P mag issue and allow rimfire pistols to be loaded as they were designed. I would also like to see all semi centerfire long gun limits raised to 10 rounds to be consistent with handguns, but that is even less likely than the rimfire limits being lifted.

Mark

 

[blaxsun]

Is this the offending ad in question? The magazine is specifically listed as a "M&P15-22 Magazine" and not a "M&P15-22P Magazine".
Since the M&P15-22 is in fact the designation for the rifle, it's a rifle magazine. The fact that it also works in the pistol would seem
to be moot. This does raise an interesting question, though: Should I not be able to use my <blank> 100-round rifle drum magazine
in the M&P15-22P pistol? They're specifically for rifles, not prohibited - and there's no limits on rifle rimfire magazines.

Unless I missed something?

 

[cbabes]

Is this the offending ad in question? The magazine is specifically listed as a "M&P15-22 Magazine" and not a "M&P15-22P Magazine".
Since the M&P15-22 is in fact the designation for the rifle, it's a rifle magazine. The fact that it also works in the pistol would seem
to be moot. This does raise an interesting question, though: Should I not be able to use my <blank> 100-round rifle drum magazine
in the M&P15-22P pistol? They're specifically for rifles, not prohibited - and there's no limits on rifle rimfire magazines.

Unless I missed something?

That's too funny! Yes using the current laws you can legally put the drum magazine designed for the rifle in the handgun as the laws are created on the magazines not the firearms themselves.

 

[blaxsun]

That's too funny! Yes using the current laws you can legally put the drum magazine designed for the rifle in the handgun as the laws on created on the magazines not the firearms themselves.

Thank goodness! I feel safer already!

[youtube]dsx2vdn7gpY[/youtube]

 

[scianna54]

Did Questar ever have any M&P 15-22 or magazines for sale or in their web store? I searched in past posts, announcements and posts by "Questar", nothing came up.

I had one of those rifles (bought from Jo Brook, Travis) and even at the time I never saw Questar selling any.

Maybe I missed it, maybe somebody can confirm this or not.

 

[Tuco Pike]

Who cares if Questar had any of the rifles. Who cares. What possible difference could that make He is selling the 50 round magazine for the firearm. He also stated that he has inventory of the MP1522 Pistol, but that he has not been given the whatever number he needs from the powers that be to be able to sell it. He also stated that at some point in the past he did have some rifles for sale. But.... who gives a flying F**K. I don't think that trying to lay blame on the guy that brought us some sanity back with the 10 AR magazines is a bright move. It is downright insulting, even to me, and I don't even know the guy.

 

[drache]

Did Questar ever have any M&P 15-22 or magazines for sale or in their web store? I searched in past posts, announcements and posts by "Questar", nothing came up.

I had one of those rifles (bought from Jo Brook, Travis) and even at the time I never saw Questar selling any.

Maybe I missed it, maybe somebody can confirm this or not.

They had them before anyone else if Im mistaken. I believe they had them while still awaiting for the FRT number on them.

 

[Northof49]

Classes of Firearms and Devices
There are three classes of firearms in Canada:

Non-restricted (most common rifles and shotguns): These may generally be imported for purposes such as hunting, protection from wild animals in remote wilderness areas where firearms are allowed, or target-shooting. They may also be taken in transit through Canada by a reasonably direct route.
Restricted: (longer-barreled handguns, some types of long guns) These are allowed for certain purposes, such as target shooting at an approved club or range, but they are not allowed for hunting or self protection.
Prohibited: (shorter-barreled handguns, automatic weapons) These cannot be brought into Canada.
Some firearms are classified as restricted or prohibited under the Criminal Code based on their general characteristics (e.g. barrel length or calibre); other restricted and prohibited firearms are specified by name in Criminal Code Regulations.

Some large-capacity magazines are prohibited even if the firearms to which the magazines are attached are allowed. As a general rule, the maximum capacity is:

five cartridges for most magazines designed for a centre fire semi-automatic long gun; and
ten cartridges for most handgun magazines.
There is no maximum magazine capacity for other types of long guns, including semi-automatics that discharge only rim-fire ammunition.

 

[scianna54]

Who cares if Questar had any of the rifles. Who cares. What possible difference could that make He is selling the 50 round magazine for the firearm. He also stated that he has inventory of the MP1522 Pistol, but that he has not been given the whatever number he needs from the powers that be to be able to sell it. He also stated that at some point in the past he did have some rifles for sale. But.... who gives a flying F**K. I don't think that trying to lay blame on the guy that brought us some sanity back with the 10 AR magazines is a bright move. It is downright insulting, even to me, and I don't even know the guy.

Not entirely true.

Badger Arms and other dealers have many rifles AND 25 round magazines in stock.

Questar has 0


So, what do think the effect of this "announcement" will have on Questar?


What effect on the stocking dealers?


Hmmmm

..

 

[007derek]

Well , thats great...... I should have stuck with my 10-22 upgrades.

 

[philchau]

Classes of Firearms and Devices
There are three classes of firearms in Canada:

Non-restricted (most common rifles and shotguns): These may generally be imported for purposes such as hunting, protection from wild animals in remote wilderness areas where firearms are allowed, or target-shooting. They may also be taken in transit through Canada by a reasonably direct route.
Restricted: (longer-barreled handguns, some types of long guns) These are allowed for certain purposes, such as target shooting at an approved club or range, but they are not allowed for hunting or self protection.
Prohibited: (shorter-barreled handguns, automatic weapons) These cannot be brought into Canada.
Some firearms are classified as restricted or prohibited under the Criminal Code based on their general characteristics (e.g. barrel length or calibre); other restricted and prohibited firearms are specified by name in Criminal Code Regulations.

Some large-capacity magazines are prohibited even if the firearms to which the magazines are attached are allowed. As a general rule, the maximum capacity is:

five cartridges for most magazines designed for a centre fire semi-automatic long gun; and
ten cartridges for most handgun magazines.
There is no maximum magazine capacity for other types of long guns, including semi-automatics that discharge only rim-fire ammunition.

I think the issue here is that there is a M&P15-22P pistol. Thus a M&P15-22P pistol magazine must be limited to 10 rounds.

I think the issue here is to differentiate the 15-22 rifle magazine (which can be 25 rounds) with the 15-22P pistol magazine (which must be 10 rounds).

 

[P90Puma]

Stopped by Al Simmons earlier today, grabbed some ammo, noticed a MP15-22 on the wall, so I let them know about the changes in the FRT.

Apparently the internet is the worst thing to happen to firearms owners in Canada, lol.

 

[BRS9]

....Apparently the internet is the worst thing to happen to firearms owners in Canada, lol.

So true lol

Whenever I talk to the old guys up at the range, it's "What?!? ...Can't do that anymore?? I've been doing that since 198x!"

Ignorance is bliss I guess

 

[ciphery]

Ok so what about the Rugger Charger? It is a 10-22 based semi auto handgun and presumably takes all 10-22 mags including the big plastic 30 rounders. Will this rimfire law become a revision because of interchangeable mags?

 

[ciphery]

I think the issue here is that there is a M&P15-22P pistol. Thus a M&P15-22P pistol magazine must be limited to 10 rounds.

I think the issue here is to differentiate the 15-22 rifle magazine (which can be 25 rounds) with the 15-22P pistol magazine (which must be 10 rounds).

Yes put a pin in all new Canadian imported pistols mag wells so it will not accept mags without a notch in them. Then make a 10 round mag with a notch. Something like that any way. This way existing mags will still be legal, 25 round rifle only mags will still be legal and they are no longer pistol compatible. This only leaves existing pistols to be modified with a pin in their mag well or get an exemption grandfathering.
This fix would unfortunately also mean the sale, possession of or importation any unpinned pistols and modified 25 rifle only mags would be illegal.
And would require the cooperation of S&W .....they do this sort of thing for pellet guns though.

 

[philchau]

Ok so what about the Rugger Charger? It is a 10-22 based semi auto handgun and presumably takes all 10-22 mags including the big plastic 30 rounders. Will this rimfire law become a revision because of interchangeable mags?

The Ruger Charger comes with a 10-round mag and the 25-round mag is made by Butler Creek - as long as Butler Creek doesn't say that it's designed for the Ruger Charger then the mag is kosher. It doesn't matter that the mag fits in the Charger and 10/22 (a la CX4 Storm issue)

Yes put a pin in the pistol mag well so it will not accept mags without a notch in them. Then make a ten round mag with a notch. Something like that any way. This way existing mags will still be leagal, 25. Round rifle only mags will still be legal and they are no longer pistol compatible. This only leaves existing pistols to me modified with a pin or get an exemption grandfathering.

S&W isn't going to do this for the tiny Canadian market.

What they or a 3rd party need to do is - "make" or "mark" all the S&W 15-22 mags specifically for the S&W 15-22 rifle, not the 15-22P pistol (regardless if they are backwards compatible)

 

[ciphery]

The Ruger Charger comes with a 10-round mag and the 25-round mag is made by Butler Creek - as long as Butler Creek doesn't say that it's designed for the Ruger Charger then the mag is kosher. It doesn't matter that the mag fits in the Charger and 10/22 (a la CX4 Storm issue)



S&W isn't going to do this for the tiny Canadian market.

What they or a 3rd party need to do is - "make" or "mark" all the S&W 15-22 mags specifically for the S&W 15-22 rifle, not the 15-22P pistol (regardless if they are backwards compatible)

So basically the same BS exemption that Buttler Creek offers Charger or CX4 owners?
Not that I'm complaining about the availability of 30 round Buttler Creek mags but it is a ludicrous loophole in a ludicrous law.
In regards to the Charger issue....aslong as Butler Creek doesn't advertise that their 11+ round mags fit the charger. OR Rugger starts advertising the Charger as a 10-22 model, OR too many people owning Chargers getting busted with a Buttler Creek 11+ round bannana mag!

 

[philchau]

So basically the same BS exemption that Buttler Creek offers Charger or CX4 owners?

Nobody ever said that Canadian gun laws make sense.

Think of it as the opposite of the LAR 10 round magazine issue. Questar was able to get the LAR-10 round mags because they said it was designed for a AR-15 pistol.

It's a pretty ####ed up, but we'll see what the official RCMP ruling is.

 

[P90Puma]

Ok so what about the Rugger Charger? It is a 10-22 based semi auto handgun and presumably takes all 10-22 mags including the big plastic 30 rounders. Will this rimfire law become a revision because of interchangeable mags?

This ruling has NOTHING to do with the fact that the rimfire rifle can take 1-1000000 round magazines, it can. 10/22 or 15-22 doesn't matter.

Yes put a pin in the pistol mag well so it will not accept mags without a notch in them. Then make a ten round mag with a notch. Something like that any way. This way existing mags will still be leagal, 25. Round rifle only mags will still be legal and they are no longer pistol compatible. This only leaves existing pistols to me modified with a pin or get an exemption grandfathering.

Same as the above, what you propose has nothing to do with anything.

The issue is, The 15-22 Pistol magazines have the SAME part number as the 15-22 RIFLE magazines, therefore "they are pistol magazines" and need to be pinned to 10 rounds or less.

The fact that the rifle came first before there even was a pistol, and the magazines really were designed for a rifle means IMHO (disclaimer, not a lawyer, but I stayed at a holiday inn express last night ) the RCMP is s**t outta luck defending their interpretation of the law if someone chooses to challenge it.

Going to be fun when someone brings in a .458 SOCOM AR15 pistol, and boatloads of pistol mags designed for it. Pretty much the equivalent of the AIA 20 rounders.

 

[britguy]

had a cx4 storm with a similar issue, as far as i can tell mags do not have to be marked as to what they will fit and other brand 25rnders are ok so dismantle mags and apply d.r.e.m.e.l. !!!!!