NR heaven? ACP223 vs. ACR DMR wat do?

84wh1 said:
I agree that a nice accurate semi auto is great for hunting, however all the guns the OP is looking at, are only designed to be "minute of man" accurate. They are not intended to be sub MOA tac drivers. That's not the point of a firearm that is designed for combat. I look at my Tavor and am more than happy to get 2-3 MOA from it. That's still 6-9" gun at 300 meters, which is when a 223/556 begins to take a dive anyways.

So ereally, letting accuracy make your decision with a battle style rifle is kind of silly. In 95% of the cases, the shooter will still influence poor accuracy way more than the gun will.
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all with factory hornady vmax 55 grain ammo:

the apc is under 1 moa, results posted here by wolverine

ive shot a tavor consistently at 1.5 moa, results posted here by me

my acr is consistently 1.3 noa, everyone does way better than me no point posting my results

buy quality ammo and you'll get quality results
 
Well the ACR to my surprise has been 100% reliable so far. But paying almost the same for it as a APC556 is ridiculous.

Well I just sold my Tavor. :-( and already miss it, its sitting here in a shipping box next to me and I feel sad. ;_(

On the bright side my APC is paid off now...lol...
 
DILLIGAF said:
Well the ACR to my surprise has been 100% reliable so far. But paying almost the same for it as a APC556 is ridiculous.

Well I just sold my Tavor. :-( and already miss it, its sitting here in a shipping box next to me and I feel sad. ;_(

On the bright side my APC is paid off now...lol...
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sometimes thats just how life is

waiting to see if i get a xmas bonus before i decide to sell a couple of ARs to pay the apc
 
I cant sell the tavor, the wife would have a fit
shes already taken the shotgun and the tavor, ill let her keep those in exchange on leaving the rest to me
she had an eye on that angstadt, i told her no way
 
mikethebike said:
all with factory hornady vmax 55 grain ammo:

the apc is under 1 moa, results posted here by wolverine

ive shot a tavor consistently at 1.5 moa, results posted here by me

my acr is consistently 1.3 noa, everyone does way better than me no point posting my results

buy quality ammo and you'll get quality results
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Sure ammo that costs 40$ a box will get good results I agree. My point was that these rifles are not designed to be precision rigs and there is no disputing that.

I do like the results of the apc. Those are really impressive.
 
84wh1 said:
Sure its gonna be more accurate than a standard acr, however Its still an ACR, which is a rifle designed as a combat rifle.
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That is like saying the Swiss arms sniper isn't accurate because it is a modified classic green combat rifle. However it ships with a factory test target that is .75moa and with premium ammo can do considerably better.
 
I understand the sentiment regarding military guns vs precision guns, but I have had enough range and competition time with ARs that my personal expectation bottom-bar for service type rifles is set at 2.0 MOA.
Even for rigs that are not tweaked as DMR setup. That's why I am excited about the APC exceeding that baseline.

Hence I am a bit concerned about those reports of the x95 showing 3/4/5 MOA randomness, which means it will be relegated to only suitable for CQB usefulness. Again I don't need it to be a DMR, that would be unrealistic expectation, but to think if I need to make a shot at 200 yard the group can (without shooter factors) open up 6/8/10 inches? Adding shooter factors if I need to shoot from standing, that would make me miss a Fig 12 altogether, that level of performance would make me very disappointed at a $1000 AR, never mind a gun that is close to $3K after tax.
So I agree with Mike, and the NR version is basically a US civvies re-work, not close enough to the original IDF config.

For 3 or 4 MOA of metal spewing, that's red-gun territory.
 
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Wolverine posted the groups made. I agree the modern series stuff needs to be in the same category.

I'm waiting for the scar 17 and hk 243 to come out nr.
 
norlandgeese said:
I understand the sentiment regarding military guns vs precision guns, but I have had enough range and competition time with ARs that my personal expectation bottom-bar for service type rifles is set at 2.0 MOA.
Even for rigs that are not tweaked as DMR setup. That's why I am excited about the APC exceeding that baseline.

Hence I am a bit concerned about those reports of the x95 showing 3/4/5 MOA randomness, which means it will be relegated to only suitable for CQB usefulness. Again I don't need it to be a DMR, that would be unrealistic expectation, but to think if I need to make a shot at 200 yard the group can (without shooter factors) open up 6/8/10 inches? Adding shooter factors if I need to shoot from standing, that would make me miss a Fig 12 altogether, that level of performance would make me very disappointed at a $1000 AR, never mind a gun that is close to $3K after tax.
So I agree with Mike, and the NR version is basically a US civvies re-work, not close enough to the original IDF config.

For 3 or 4 MOA of metal spewing, that's red-gun territory.
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I agree 100%.
 
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I just put a deposit on the DMR....

For me, the low stock on the APC means it'll be a bugger with optics. Plus, the ACR is a known quantity, and all three I've owned have been 100% reliable. All around 1-1.5 MOA as well with non-match ammo, so I'm guessing the stock barrel on the DMR will produce similar results.

Had to spend some bucks at P&D anyway (store credit) so for me it makes sense.
 
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