If these people that hunt and shoot like this were the minority, I wouldn't feel so bad. But I'm starting to think we have more idiots afield than the general public will tolerate. Expect new hunting/shooting regs. coming soon.
nuisance bear and light birdshot
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If these people that hunt and shoot like this were the minority, I wouldn't feel so bad. But I'm starting to think we have more idiots afield than the general public will tolerate. Expect new hunting/shooting regs. coming soon.
VanIsleCam
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I have skinned out too many deer in our area and cut away squares of meat with pellets from airguns. Last year, removing the rack, I found one right between the poor buggers eyes. Not cool. I understand the angst OP but if I am going with a firearms option it is because I am ready to shoot, prep and eat....
Indeed. So much foolishness.
- Location
- The Conservative part of Ontario
Do not take a chance on wounding, or blinding that bear. Wounded bears can turn ugly. Someone else could pay for your error.
Theas guy have what you need save bird shot for the grouse https://www.margosupplies.com/canada/bear-deterrents
I once heard of someone who go shot with bird shot accidentally (don't know specifics) apparently he still has all of the bird shot in his body, far to difficult to remove all of the shot. Imagine living your life like that, constantly being lead poisoned, painful shot imbedded in your skin and muscles. Then maybe shooting anything but a bird with bird shot might seem like a pretty cruel thing to do.
It saddens me that a post like this exists on our forum. I had hoped values such as honour and fairplay, law an order were inherent in our sport in addition to common sense. Unfortunately this is simply more proof that many people cannot be trusted to police themselves and thus, forcing upon us, more law and order. Gun control advocates use posts like this one against us and we all suffer.
carverk, somewhere in the first post or the next two the op mentioned the bird feeder has been removed.
I'm not singling you out ( for your thoughts) as there are three or maybe it is two others who have missed this small detail.
The Op asked a valid question that 90% already know the answer to the question, be it sss or just live with the bear or buy some rubber bullets to instill a large negative reaction to wandering through the yard in search of bird seed.
B.H.B nailed the sentiments of responsible hunters...my comments are what I may or may not do if it where happening in my neighborhood within a lawful game season available.
Best Regards,
Rob
I did miss that
Margo Supplies have lots of product for dealing with bears and other wildlife including rubber slugs, bear banger, bear fences Extra
Margo Supplies have personal bear kits that includes bear banger
12 gauge bean bag marker would not be a bad idea
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The bear has not returned since I originally posted the question.
I have no intention of wounding a bear, hence the question about a light load of #9 shot. I have shot bear with rifle, shotgun slugs and bow, just never had the problem of chasing one away.
I thought someone else might have tried it and know the answer. I know heavier/bigger shot would penatrate and wound.
I loaded a few wax slugs with a light charge of red dot and am trying to order rubber slugs.
thx for the replies.
I have no intention of wounding a bear, hence the question about a light load of #9 shot. I have shot bear with rifle, shotgun slugs and bow, just never had the problem of chasing one away.
I thought someone else might have tried it and know the answer. I know heavier/bigger shot would penatrate and wound.
I loaded a few wax slugs with a light charge of red dot and am trying to order rubber slugs.
thx for the replies.
Besides all that hasn't any one seen the great outdoors with Jim candy. You'll end up with a "bald headed bear". It will come back some night.
https://youtu.be/881qY2L9LyA
https://youtu.be/881qY2L9LyA
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Sunchild2071
CGN frequent flyer
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- Glen Park, AB
As much as a rubber slug, or bear banger, or whatever would be effective......
What you have is an animal that has come to learn that urbanized areas are a food source. Go ahead, move your feeder, maybe the bear moves on.
TO SOMEONE ELSE'S YARD.
As I mentioned in a previous post, there is a bear on my wall. Prior to its arrival there, what had once been a bear that showed evidence of being in the area, had stepped up its game, and learned of domestic food sources. This could be from inadvertent to negligent supply of food sources being left out, despite the known fact of a bear, in the area. Bottom line, the bear started showing up in yards, and making appearances.
F&W was contacted, the first time I heard of the bear coming into yards (his habits had changed). A good discussion developed about re-locating the bear. Ultimately, F&W advised that the bear should be dispatched, and provided permission. The reasoning provided by the CO was that although the desire expressed was to get the bear relocated and saved; that the bear already exhibited behaviors which showed it had learned that domestics are a food source. The only reason that F&W would get involved in a "catch and relocate" would to be to provide others in the area with a fluffy feeling by telling them that. In fact, the bear would be captured and destroyed by F&W.
Why? It was the assertion of the officer that as the bear had learned that humans are a source of food (albeit only for a short while), that he had now become a nuisance bear. CO continued to describe that relocations, in such cases as was presented to him, generally FAIL. That even with remote relocates, the bears will travel great distances, and upon learning of easy food sources, would continue to seek food that way, in the future. It was the CO determination that the bear was too far gone. The rest of the story gets the bear to the wall.
IMHO, at the point where this bear is at, these "responsible" folks giving you advice on bear deterrent, are steering you wrong.
If you simply find it acceptable to deter the bear from your property, it WILL go to another, and maybe they deter it, then maybe another. Ultimately, like in my previous post in this thread, it will require the bear to be put down. Now, hopefully, you don't deter the bear out of your yard, so he goes to the next, where he is "surprised" by the residents who don't know that a bear who has learned of domestic food sources , is around, leading up to an attack.
May not be the next yard it gets "deterred" to, or the next, but that event is coming.
Unless you do the real responsible thing, and view the situation, for what is really happening. This is now a nuisance bear. Have you called F&W? Talked to your CO? Establish a plan with them to deal with the bear. Or carry the responsibilty you share after "deterring" the bear and it attacks at another location.
The bear deterrents identified in this thread are for single encounters in remote areas. Although people love to sell them to people that have a "problem bear", that is not the purpose. A bear exhibiting the behavior you describe will hurt someone, someday. Identify the problem to F&W so a proper plan can be put in place, to deal with the bear, before someone gets hurt.
What you have is an animal that has come to learn that urbanized areas are a food source. Go ahead, move your feeder, maybe the bear moves on.
TO SOMEONE ELSE'S YARD.
As I mentioned in a previous post, there is a bear on my wall. Prior to its arrival there, what had once been a bear that showed evidence of being in the area, had stepped up its game, and learned of domestic food sources. This could be from inadvertent to negligent supply of food sources being left out, despite the known fact of a bear, in the area. Bottom line, the bear started showing up in yards, and making appearances.
F&W was contacted, the first time I heard of the bear coming into yards (his habits had changed). A good discussion developed about re-locating the bear. Ultimately, F&W advised that the bear should be dispatched, and provided permission. The reasoning provided by the CO was that although the desire expressed was to get the bear relocated and saved; that the bear already exhibited behaviors which showed it had learned that domestics are a food source. The only reason that F&W would get involved in a "catch and relocate" would to be to provide others in the area with a fluffy feeling by telling them that. In fact, the bear would be captured and destroyed by F&W.
Why? It was the assertion of the officer that as the bear had learned that humans are a source of food (albeit only for a short while), that he had now become a nuisance bear. CO continued to describe that relocations, in such cases as was presented to him, generally FAIL. That even with remote relocates, the bears will travel great distances, and upon learning of easy food sources, would continue to seek food that way, in the future. It was the CO determination that the bear was too far gone. The rest of the story gets the bear to the wall.
IMHO, at the point where this bear is at, these "responsible" folks giving you advice on bear deterrent, are steering you wrong.
If you simply find it acceptable to deter the bear from your property, it WILL go to another, and maybe they deter it, then maybe another. Ultimately, like in my previous post in this thread, it will require the bear to be put down. Now, hopefully, you don't deter the bear out of your yard, so he goes to the next, where he is "surprised" by the residents who don't know that a bear who has learned of domestic food sources , is around, leading up to an attack.
May not be the next yard it gets "deterred" to, or the next, but that event is coming.
Unless you do the real responsible thing, and view the situation, for what is really happening. This is now a nuisance bear. Have you called F&W? Talked to your CO? Establish a plan with them to deal with the bear. Or carry the responsibilty you share after "deterring" the bear and it attacks at another location.
The bear deterrents identified in this thread are for single encounters in remote areas. Although people love to sell them to people that have a "problem bear", that is not the purpose. A bear exhibiting the behavior you describe will hurt someone, someday. Identify the problem to F&W so a proper plan can be put in place, to deal with the bear, before someone gets hurt.
bear banger, rubber slugs do work especial well on black bears not so much with grizzly's
we use to make are own bear bangers out of sticks of dynamite up in Stewart BC/Hider Alaska when a guy was still allowed to have fun
