Nutters I need Your Help !!!! Emergency !!

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Live2Crawl said:
Hey guys and girls,

My 13 year old daughter came home from school today (grade 8) She was informed by her teacher that assault rifles were evil and should be banned. The class was divided into 2 teams. Group 1 Kids who think all assault rifles SHOULD be banned in Canada go to this side of the room. Group 2 Kids who think they SHOULD NOT be banned in Canada go to the other side. 33 kids in the class 31 go to group 1 my daughter goes to group 2 and so did her best friend who doesn't even know what a gun is for moral support LMAO.

So tonight they have to do research and tomorrow they have to have a debate on the topic Ban vs Not ban... So i have given her some good points but i know there are lots of other good ideas out there i'm missing. So please nutters please help weith some good realistic points on why assault rifles should not be banned!
(Back history i own lots of guns we are a hunting family also pistols and lots of ARs all the kids shoot and hunt)

This only on assault rifles no other guns.

Thanks again in advance !!!!
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Id be talking to her teacher and tell her to keep her liberal anti opinions to herself, she not there to teach policy.
 
IMO there is nothing wrong with this debate - all the information for and against AR bans is out there - its up to the kids on each side of the arguement to present their facts in a well conducted debate. I'm sure the information will speak for itself. The kids might actually learn a thing or two about the politics involved and the attempts to 'pull the wool over their eyes'

HOWEVER, when we debated in grade school the teacher would RANDOMLY assign people to the sides of a debate...not single out individuals based on their beliefs. We had some pretty serious debates...including very sensitive topics. Our teacher had the balls to run these debates in his class...but he always made sure to RANDOMLY assign people for/against (we would draw for or against out of a hat). Best teacher ever IMO, he was also a navy veteran.

The teacher conducting this debate is either a rookie, or has ulterior motives...by the sounds of it most likely the latter. He/she is setting your daughter up for failure, and like everyone else mentioned I would talk the the principal IMMEDIATLY and request the the teacher not single out your daughter.
 
I don't suppose this teacher is open to you (or another knowledgable parent) coming in and giving a lecture to the students about firearms, their history, the difference between "assault rifles" and other rifles?
 
If your daughter feels as though she wants to go forward with this debate then I think she should super-impose Television sets whereever she would say the word gun . . . at least then it might sink into the sheeple kids - use something that they can relate to. No need for TV's, radio and print can do the same thing as TV's and they'd create less residual pollution, also kids would be much safer without evil TV's - when was the last time you heard of a child being crushed when a radio tipped over on them . . .
 
Jesus Chr*st. This is being taught to 13 year olds? I thought there were strict curriculum requirements? I distinctly remember us not being able to diverge from the curriculum at all because we had so much junk to cover in classes that we were constantly racing to keep up.

Maybe ask to speak with the teacher and principal and ask exactly how it fits into the curriculum and how it is an unbiased teaching method.
 
sTraTz said:
Maybe your daughter should read out to the class what the definition of an "assault rifle" really is.
And then she can tell the class that they are already banned(more or less) in Canada and have been for years.
After all, school is about learning the correct definitions of terms, not some political propaganda.
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x 2: Assault Rifles, that is select-fire / full auto military firearms, are essentially banned in Canada already. If the teacher was referring to "assault weapons," this term was made up by Josh Sugarman of the Violence Policy Centre as a propaganda tool meant to take advantage of the ignorance of the general populous by making them equate regular civilian firearms with military firearms based on cosmetic features rather than function.

The simple answer is that there is no debate: "Assault Rifles" are already banned and "Assault weapons" don't exist. End of debate.
 
beagles#1 said:
The simple answer is that there is no debate: "Assault Rifles" are already banned and "Assault weapons" don't exist. End of debate.
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I agree. This is the best argument. There's no need to argue because the paradigm and definition in the minds of antis is wrong in the first place.

It's like arguing that gold plated goombas should be banned. Goombas don't exist. The end.
 
Honestly, im not sure if the teacher is trying to promote discussion or just "trolling" to have a group of kids (A) put down a group of kids (B) for their own amusement.

And I hope the other side is supposed to come up with good points instead of "just because" Otherwise I'd be going to the news/school board.
 
Telling the whole class that guns are "evil and should be banned" and then giving the kids "a choice" is asinine. The teacher already prejudiced the class with his/her political bias.
Most students, if they want to stay in the good books with the teacher, will side with him/her. Not to mention the entire topic is moot with a wrong definition of assault rifle.

Public school system... :rolleyes:
 
So OP how did this play out? Did you go in and speak to the principal or VP and get the topic shut down and back on curriculum? Interested in learning how this played out.
 
Schools need to start teaching not getting kids involved in government BS they or may not understand.

That teacher has no right to get those kids involved in what I would say is his or her own beliefs about firearms. I would call your school board and report that.

Just my thoughts.
 
WAREWOLF said:
Schools need to start teaching not getting kids involved in government BS they or may not understand.

That teacher has no right to get those kids involved in what I would say is his or her own beliefs about firearms. I would call your school board and report that.

Just my thoughts.
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See I agree to a point. One thing my gr 8 (in 2001) teacher did well, was try to start discussion based on current events. Like it or not, guns are a hot topic now in the media. However, the way the teacher went about beginning this debate is fascism by definition.

edit: I also want to state that my gr 8 teacher was very level-headed and for a great discussion to occur, the teacher has to mediate and play both sides, not create a 31 on 2 gang up.
 
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