O’Dell Benelli M4 Clone :)

870P said:
Hopefully, although I wouldn't be surprised if Benelli ceases production of them in the near future... Plus, the design is getting a bit long in the tooth anyway.
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Well made and designed guns never go out of style or get long in the tooth. Just as with 1911's and countless other firearms, there will be room in the market for differing levels of quality and respective pricing.
 
Grain said:
Well made and designed guns never go out of style or get long in the tooth. Just as with 1911's and countless other firearms, there will be room in the market for differing levels of quality and respective pricing.
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The M4 is still the benchmark, but Benelli could no doubt design a better tactical shotgun at this point, and for quite a bit less money if it were to share more components with their mass produced sporting models.

Anyways, this Ermox or whatever it is, looks promising so far!
 
You guys are funny. Some company copies one of the most well respected combat shotguns ever, and you think Benelli will all of a sudden have to reduce their prices or stop making them entirely??

Check out the list of countries that employ the M4: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benelli_M4#Users

You think any of them are going to just ship and buy the cheaper, unproven clone? I kind of doubt it. I also kind of doubt that Benelli will even notice the loss in civilian sales to the P4.

For the record: I'm not a Benelli fanboy, I don't own a single Benelli product (I owned an MR1 and didn't care much for it), and I might even buy one of these in the future just for the hell of it.
 
Scotty454 said:
You guys are funny. Some company copies one of the most well respected combat shotguns ever, and you think Benelli will all of a sudden have to reduce their prices or stop making them entirely??

Check out the list of countries that employ the M4: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benelli_M4#Users

You think any of them are going to just ship and buy the cheaper, unproven clone? I kind of doubt it. I also kind of doubt that Benelli will even notice the loss in civilian sales to the P4.

For the record: I'm not a Benelli fanboy, I don't own a single Benelli product (I owned an MR1 and didn't care much for it), and I might even buy one of these in the future just for the hell of it.
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The service M4s were procured in relatively small numbers, even the U.S. military only ended up buying around 5000 out of an originally slated 40K, there are a lot of limited adopters but not large numbers of them out there.

Also, ask Colt if they still dominate the 1873, 1911 and AR15 markets... cheap clones didn't hurt them much early on, but eventually the competition improved and they became an also-ran.
 
I keep hearing about a plug in the mag tube that is removable, would you be able to film a clip taking down the gun and showing the magazine design?
 
grimalkin said:
This guy says the gun doesn’t use the ARGO, but rather the versa max system.

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For all intents and purposes, the Versa Max VersaPort system IS the ARGO system. They just called it something different. It's also an auto regulating dual short stroke piston design (Via ports being either open or blocked depending on the length of the shell you're firing).

 
grimalkin said:
This guy says the gun doesn’t use the ARGO, but rather the versa max system.
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That doesn't seem right, for one thing, AFAIK the Versaport system still has many years left before the patent expires, whereas the ARGO patent has already expired.

If it is indeed a Versa Port type system though, I'd consider that a plus as its more advanced than the '90s vintage ARGO.
 
Thanks for that info!

Regarding removing the plug and replacing with a dowel..that is illegal and it needs to be permanently plugged with metal. (https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-462/page-2.html?wbdisable=true)

Part 4, section (4) and (5):
4) A cartridge magazine described in subsection (1) that has been altered or re-manufactured so that it is not capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be, of the type for which it was originally designed is not a prohibited device as prescribed by that subsection if the modification to the magazine cannot be easily removed and the magazine cannot be easily further altered so that it is so capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be.

(5) For the purposes of subsection (4), altering or re-manufacturing a cartridge magazine includes

(a) the indentation of its casing by forging, casting, swaging or impressing;

(b) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a steel or aluminum casing, the insertion and attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or aluminum, as the case may be, or of a similar material, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method; or

(c) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a casing made of a material other than steel or aluminum, the attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or of a material similar to that of the magazine casing, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method or by applying a permanent adhesive substance, such as a cement or an epoxy or other glue.




https://www.huntinggearguy.com/tips/maximum-shotshell-capacity-canada/
 
grimalkin said:
Ya it’s really too bad... how much more are ghost sights to put on a gun
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It's not the type of sight per say, it's that these are the loosest, weakest and most horribly made and assembled sights I have ever seen on any gun, ever. They truly are garbage. The way the rail/sight assembly is mounted is horrible as well, so the rail is compromised too.

On a $200 shotgun (your typical turkish shotgun) it's understandable, but a gun that's FOUR times that cost?

#### THAT.
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if, for any kind of serious use, it proves necessary to swap out the factory sights for LPAs, even on the other version with the LPA lookalike sights.
 
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