**OFFICAL*** The Type 97NSR is Non restricted!!!

harbl_the_cat said:
I'm enjoying this conversation, so please don't take my responses as trolling or combative. There simply are physical and practical limitations to all things. Anything can be done, it's a matter of how long it takes to build it and how expensive the finished product will be.

I'm sure if they used the highest grade titanium alloys, higher grade steel, etc. for various components, they could probably make a completely unbreakable, indestructible gun... the cost to produce it might skyrocket, it might weigh twice as much, or it might have other limitations.

More importantly than determining WHAT anything is, is determining WHAT IT IS REQUIRED TO DO AND VERIFYING IT CAN DO IT.

The scenario I described above (infantry section attack) is the key requirement for a rifle similar to the T97. I would say if it could function under those circumstances - it is well designed. I understand as an interesting TEST to determine the limitations of the gun, it would be neat to try pumping 1000 rounds through in under 10 minutes - that said, the results of such a test I think in no way reflect the overall quality of the tool, if the requirements for it are such that it will NOT practically be required to do so.

I am a professional tester of advanced systems - again to me it doesn't matter very much what the tool we are building is capable of. What matters to me is does the tool we are building meet the requirements specified. If it does, the tool is adequate. If it does not, we need to rework it. Of course that's all predicated on the assumption that the requirements are clearly and properly defined - but that's a whole other story.
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Very well said.

I'm an engineer and I understand that if a tool meets the purpose of what it was designed to become, it is a good tool. 100% Agreed

My point is that you still would not need parts that were made with advanced bi-polar metal retrieved from the orbit of Saturn, forged with the hammers of Gondor and coated with the tears of a Dragon to solve a Goddamn melting issue.
 
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t_102 said:
In this case, the Toyota beside it that doesn't need a valve seal job still comes out on top.

Yeah Glocks are unbelievably reliable, and the melted plastic rod would not affect it's function. It is, however, better if it didn't melt ;)
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I was giving an example of a test that would make most Toyotas need a valve seal job ;) 800 rounds is 3 times what a typical grunt will carry in the field. After firing that many in rapid succession, they were still left with a fully functional gun, with just a bit of cosmetic damage. After a typical combat ammo ration, there was just some heating but no melting. That tells me that the rifle can take a lot of abuse and still keep tickin' against the enemies of our People's Republic and our glorious president Xi Jinping ;) You can come up with a torture test that will destroy ANY gun.. Gun Gripes guys came up with one that wrecked a Mosin lol
 
TRaTSeRiF said:
I was giving an example of a test that would make most Toyotas need a valve seal job ;) 800 rounds is 3 times what a typical grunt will carry in the field. After firing that many in rapid succession, they were still left with a fully functional gun, with just a bit of cosmetic damage. After a typical combat ammo ration, there was just some heating but no melting. That tells me that the rifle can take a lot of abuse and still keep tickin' against the enemies of our People's Republic and our glorious president Xi Jinping ;) You can come up with a torture test that will destroy ANY gun.. Gun Gripes guys came up with one that wrecked a Mosin lol
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We wouldn't want to set the standard of a military weapon as "whether or not it will break after 800 rounds" would we? ;) :ar15:

And hey, I'm Chinese, watch what you say about my president LOL :yingyang: :D
 
Bottom line, its a torture test designed to see how long it takes the gun to fail. If you abuse your guns like this you won't have any more in a short while.

Surviving 800 rounds in rapid succession is pretty good. It is no where near what one of these guns will see for sustained fire on the range or out on crown land.
 
t_102 said:
We wouldn't want to set the standard of a military weapon as "whether or not it will break after 800 rounds" would we? ;) :ar15:

And hey, I'm Chinese, watch what you say about my president LOL :yingyang: :D
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1) It was still able to fire after those 800 rounds

2) Any gun will experience heat-related issues after 800 rounds in rapid succession. That's why they REALLY gotta have the cooling on machine guns down pat, but it's not necessary on a carbine

3) He's not MY president... Yet :cool:
 
Great discussion gents! The T97 is looking better and better...
I especially appreciate the comments of the guys in the engineering fields.
This is what CGN is all about.
Now, does anyone want to complain about delivery times...?
 
WHOPPER_JR said:
I'm sure this has been asked in the previous 50+ pages. Is a pre-order the only way to get this thing once it's inland?
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You could pay the high prices of the gougers who pre order several and sell them on the EE for more than a profit. I would pre order if I were you. Patience pays off.
 
Pre ordered mine last week, I strongly suggest everyone to the same. Personally I think they'll all be sold out even before they get in country. Rare to see a gun like this, at this price, that accepts any standard ar15 mag, and unrestricted. Can't go wrong with 1000$ on this.
 
I dont recall seeing a comparison photo between the T97 and the Tavor.
I hope this isn't a repost...

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And a thank you to the good folks at Reliable for allowing me to photo their guns. :)

My impressions of the two were that both have a very long first stage trigger pull, the T97 being longer.
The T97 second stage was not too heavy and broke cleanly.
The Tavor was a very heavy pull.

The iron sights on the Tavor seemed to right to my eye, while the T97 seemed to require a bit of head movement and searching around to find the rear aperture.

The fit and finish of the T97 has been debated a lot here. Mostly by those that havent seen or handled it.
I found it to be very good, as you would expect from molded parts. If the mold is good, then the parts coming out should be fine as well. I did not notice any "flash" or ugly seams. (remember when you built scale plastic models and there was that thin line that ran across the parts?)

I have briefly handled and fired one from Lever 5 years ago, and handled (not fired) this sample one twice (Wanstalls about 3 weeks ago,and Reliable today) and am looking forward to buying one.
 
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