Officer shot in leg after his GLOCK 35 went off spontaneously, not even dropped :)

DanRR said:
Because Joe Cop is not a gun nutz; sometime, he must be forced to go to the range.
So much then for taking care of his weapon.
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There is some truth to this comment, but just like in every group you have keeners and slackers. Some take their training seriously and others its a task they grudgingly do.
 
Frame flex occurs on firing but also during routine duty in a holster and during the course of non-firing training.
The amount of training a TAC guy sees compared to someone in patrol or another area of duty is night and day.
But...that is just supposition on my part as I'm not a copper.


You do what is reasonable with a cleaning and inspection schedule, and sometimes sh!t happens.
I'm not about to pass judgement on someone like in these instances using a tool of their trade just like I wouldn't pass judgement on a mechanic breaking a tool or a trucker blowing a tire on the highway - I'll leave that judgement to their superiors and the authority having the skills and knowledge to deal with the case.
 
It is very difficult to spot a rail issue until it happens. My PD has done annual inspections on all our Glock's since they were issued in 2000 (.40's). I've lost track of how many firing pin safeties and striker assemblies I replaced. As for frame rails, I've seen multiple break, as in more than 15 and less than 30 or so of 260 guns. You don't know it until the pistol is disassembled for cleaning. If one goes it was never an issue, but when both rear rails go, which I've seen twice, it's bad news. In one case, both rails went on the first shot of an annual Qual! That one just stopped working. The other one doubled and then failed. Fortunately it happened at the range, and fortunately my bosses agreed it was time to buy new Gen4 G17's for everyone. Not to start the old .40 vs. 9 debate again but .40 kicks the sh*t out of guns. I'll be retired before I see many issues with the new 17's.
 
mtstef said:
Is it safe?

Which brings us to our second controversy. Since it has a light trigger and requires just a short stroke to fire, people ask, does it really have a safety. Again, the answer isn’t a simple yes or no. It does have a safety. It’s that little lever sticking out the face of the trigger. However, practically speaking, does it do what you want a safety to do? If you want to prevent the gun from firing should you inadvertently pull the trigger, it doesn’t do that. Some pundits say, “well then don’t pull the trigger until you want to shoot something! Duh.” While that’s good advice, it’s just incomplete (as well as ignorant of the vagaries of life). There have been numerous instances of people being shot without intentionally pulling the trigger. In fact, they didn’t have their finger anywhere near the trigger."
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Winnipeg police service pistols have a two stage trigger. The first stage is a light pull and then it goes up to 8 - 9 pounds. It is part of their safty mechanism.
 
happyzappy said:
There is some truth to this comment, but just like in every group you have keeners and slackers. Some take their training seriously and others its a task they grudgingly do.
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My non scientific feelings of watching RCMP train at our small town ranges for the last 20 or so years is that there are more that are keen to train these days, they aren't just training prior to yearly qualifications anymore. Used to be only the keeners that practiced often, and the keeners were always very proficient. Now it seems like they are all mostly into keeping up their training.

Even though I am sure a flashlight is used 100X more than a gun, I think it's great to see. :)
 
Rich LPS said:
Wow, how we are quick to cast stones on missing a defect with a piece of equipment. Some times it happens to very experienced shooters too. We are not all perfect all of the time. Depending on how the frame rails / inserts broke or were damaged it might be hard to spot....unless you are perfect. I'm very particular with my firearms and clean often and have missed things before.
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Difficult, certainly. Impossible, no. There's a difference. Its not impossible to spot broken/worn rails, a non-functional firing pin safety block, etc.
 
sillymike said:
I think that's reason enough to disarm the police!... All handguns are to be left at the armoury, triple-locked.
- In case of emergency, they can call the army.
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Yep if they ban all guns in Canada, Law enforcement shouldn't have guns either. There is simply no longer a credible threat to the police. According to Liberal Logic.
 
I've been keeping an open mind about Glocks, even though I dislike the looks. That said, I've never understood the allure of a polymer frame, and this thread is really making me think twice about buying such a handgun.
 
stevebc said:
I've been keeping an open mind about Glocks, even though I dislike the looks. That said, I've never understood the allure of a polymer frame, and this thread is really making me think twice about buying such a handgun.
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Think about how many polymer frame handguns have been sold since the first H&K VP70 almost 50 years ago. Even since the first Glock 17 (if we want to pick on Glock for a sec) emerged some 35 years ago. Then think about all of the polymer frame pistols (Glock and otherwise) since that time. They say Glock alone has sold at least 10 million or so, including more than 100K every year. Now contrast all of that with how many verified instances you have heard of where a polymer frame pistol has failed catastrophically, and that failure has been because of the frame.
 
stevebc said:
I've been keeping an open mind about Glocks, even though I dislike the looks. That said, I've never understood the allure of a polymer frame, and this thread is really making me think twice about buying such a handgun.
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For police work, many advantages.
- less metal, less rust in Joe Cop holster
- lightness
- easily adapted to the shooters size of hands due to several inserts.

I have carried a Cold positive police 38 reg., a S&W model 10/4", a S&W model 10/2", a Ruger GP-100 with underlug shortened and a Walther QA-90.
For carrying ease and confidence in a weapon, the Walther first.
 
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