OK, You asked for it ... What are the most overrated RIFLE cartridges?

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With a 165 which is what it was designed to shoot it is 2.7" 3.4" 0.0" -8.1" all within minute of deer

For reference a 30/06 with 165 was 1.9"0"-8" and -22"



If we also zero the 30-06 at 300 and use a 165gr it's +4.5 +5 0.00 -12 So I guess you would have to aim 4" higher at 400 with a 30-06. Maybe not a bad trade off? :)
 
Giving up 400 fps and 500 foot lbs

Why trade when you can have it all?

Good fight; even if the Manbun gang kinda Dogpiled you.
I can remember as a kid that Weatherbey was quite the gun. Rich folks only... I saw a 30-378 WM cartridge and just flinched when I touched it... beaucoupe looking round.
Bench racing is what we called this sort thing as a kid... better with belly full of beer IMO.
 
sorry i did not knew weatherby sr was a gunsmith as i have seen firearms made for him from germany and japan. changing careers is not a problem. sorry if i scratch your love for roy weatherby ...

the 8x68s for sure is nothing we all know as a design but he took the work done by shuler like the little bottle neck so famously called double radius by weatherby ...
a point of precision: the 8x68s came out on 1938 and rws starting to offer factory ammo in the spring of 1939 ...

No prob Im just having fun. Yep RW and an engineer he employed named Jenner? designed the Mark V action. I think he originally used FN Mauser actions but felt they were not strong enough. Once business got big he contracted out building production rifles.

I don't think any other wildcatter used or uses double radius but i could be wrong. Looking at the drawings of 8x68s looks like regular old straight shoulders to me. I still do not believe an american was stealing info from germany in 1940. And jumping to the lands was all Roy Weatherby.

Everbody hates a Weatherby. Except people who have shot a Weatherby. And we just smile to each other and nod knowingly.

Still waiting for someone to say a cartridge that even was in the same ballpark as the .300 WBY

I love it.
 
Good fight; even if the Manbun gang kinda Dogpiled you.
I can remember as a kid that Weatherbey was quite the gun. Rich folks only... I saw a 30-378 WM cartridge and just flinched when I touched it... beaucoupe looking round.
Bench racing is what we called this sort thing as a kid... better with belly full of beer IMO.

I was actually thinking about this the other day, why guys shoot what they do. ( I was on my 4th scotch)
My dad was a .270 man. Probably cause of reading too much O'Connor. I dont have a lot of use for a .270.
I carry a 45-70 more than anything else because I had a bad run in with a bear and a defender shotgun loaded with 00. A 45/70 seemed like a good gun to deal with that if the problem ever arrises again. Plus it is the funnest gun I have ever shot but i am sure not gonna defend it against being called hyped cause it surely is.
I shoot a .300 WBY probably cause my uncle Harry shot one and I thought he was the real deal. Kind of a nod to him. And I know what you mean about the rich guy thing. i knew I had made it when i brought my Mark V accumark home (it had been in the gunshop on lawaway for many months). Plus it is one of the all time great calibres. I shoot a 7mm08 cause they were the latest greatest when I was about 18 and just had to have one. Thats what started me loading as shells were not super available for them then. Have had quite a few of them now. And I shoot a .375 HandH probably from reading too much about Africa.
 
I think it was probably parrallell evolution. Or maybe an American in 1944 copied a cartridge designed in Germany in 1939 except they look nothing alike and do not share a parent case.

And by the way Weatherby was a wildcatter and yes, a gunsmith. He did sell cars and insurance before and while getting his firearms company off the ground. He re-invented the american rifle from a drab brown stick to a ###y sleek curvy california queen and the boring cartridges of the time to exciting whiz bangs. Harris Holland sold tobacco, Keith was a cowboy, O'Connor was an English Professor, Whelen was a soldier, Remington was a blacksmith, Winchester was a venture capitalist and Ackley was a farmer. Whats your point? That he changed careers? So did everyone else.

As for being a marketer, yes he was. As were all the others I mentioned. I did not mention the other 10 thousand gun smiths and wildcatters that were not marketers. Know why? Cause nobody knows them cause they were not marketers and are therefore irrelavent.

True enough fer sure. Roy's favorite was the .257 WM & he whacked a fair pile of big critters with it. He was definitely a good promoter of his company's products and forged world wide connections to get his ideal vision for rifles & cartridges into the limelight. The classic Mark V rifles have look and feel that I like a lot, but the over bored & pricey ammo & brass kept me away from 'em.
 
A lot of uneducated shooters and hunters fell for the hype of the "flat" shooting Weatherby Rifles.
I do not hate Weatherbys.....I actually own a 257 Weatherby, but it is a Vanguard, not
a Mark V.
When I was living out west, doing car repairs independently, I got to know a lot of the locals in
the small town.
I had one of these jokers come to my shop with a nice Bull Moose in the back of his pickup. I
congratulated him and asked the usual questions, some of which he declined to answer, understandably.

However, he was quick to tell me that he shot the moose at 800 yards. Being a bit of a gunnut, I
had to ask him what he was shooting. He had a very nice Weatherby Mark V chambered in 300 Weatherby
Magnum. I asked him how he sighted in....he replied that he was dead on at 250 yards. My obvious
follow up was : "How high did you hold to hit this moose at 800 yards, Louis?"

You can imagine what went through my mind when he assured me: "I did not hold high at all because the
300 Weatherby does not drop any until you get out to 1000 yards."

I suspect that moose was a lot closer than 800 yards, lol. Dave.
 
No prob Im just having fun. Yep RW and an engineer he employed named Jenner? designed the Mark V action. I think he originally used FN Mauser actions but felt they were not strong enough. Once business got big he contracted out building production rifles.

I don't think any other wildcatter used or uses double radius but i could be wrong. Looking at the drawings of 8x68s looks like regular old straight shoulders to me. I still do not believe an american was stealing info from germany in 1940. And jumping to the lands was all Roy Weatherby.

Everbody hates a Weatherby. Except people who have shot a Weatherby. And we just smile to each other and nod knowingly.

Still waiting for someone to say a cartridge that even was in the same ballpark as the .300 WBY

I love it.

try a rum just for the name ... i do not hate them i had even a few.
 
A lot of uneducated shooters and hunters fell for the hype of the "flat" shooting Weatherby Rifles.
I do not hate Weatherbys.....I actually own a 257 Weatherby, but it is a Vanguard, not
a Mark V.
When I was living out west, doing car repairs independently, I got to know a lot of the locals in
the small town.
I had one of these jokers come to my shop with a nice Bull Moose in the back of his pickup. I
congratulated him and asked the usual questions, some of which he declined to answer, understandably.

However, he was quick to tell me that he shot the moose at 800 yards. Being a bit of a gunnut, I
had to ask him what he was shooting. He had a very nice Weatherby Mark V chambered in 300 Weatherby
Magnum. I asked him how he sighted in....he replied that he was dead on at 250 yards. My obvious
follow up was : "How high did you hold to hit this moose at 800 yards, Louis?"

You can imagine what went through my mind when he assured me: "I did not hold high at all because the
300 Weatherby does not drop any until you get out to 1000 yards."

I suspect that moose was a lot closer than 800 yards, lol. Dave.


I have a feeling someone fell hard for the marketing hype Laugh2
 
True enough fer sure. Roy's favorite was the .257 WM & he whacked a fair pile of big critters with it. He was definitely a good promoter of his company's products and forged world wide connections to get his ideal vision for rifles & cartridges into the limelight. The classic Mark V rifles have look and feel that I like a lot, but the over bored & pricey ammo & brass kept me away from 'em.

He shot a cape buf with a .257WBY
 
A lot of uneducated shooters and hunters fell for the hype of the "flat" shooting Weatherby Rifles.
I do not hate Weatherbys.....I actually own a 257 Weatherby, but it is a Vanguard, not
a Mark V.
When I was living out west, doing car repairs independently, I got to know a lot of the locals in
the small town.
I had one of these jokers come to my shop with a nice Bull Moose in the back of his pickup. I
congratulated him and asked the usual questions, some of which he declined to answer, understandably.

However, he was quick to tell me that he shot the moose at 800 yards. Being a bit of a gunnut, I
had to ask him what he was shooting. He had a very nice Weatherby Mark V chambered in 300 Weatherby
Magnum. I asked him how he sighted in....he replied that he was dead on at 250 yards. My obvious
follow up was : "How high did you hold to hit this moose at 800 yards, Louis?"

You can imagine what went through my mind when he assured me: "I did not hold high at all because the
300 Weatherby does not drop any until you get out to 1000 yards."

I suspect that moose was a lot closer than 800 yards, lol. Dave.

He probably had very short legs ;)
 
That’s when you hit em with “ were you hunting with Jesus? Because that was a god damn miracle”

I had a RUM because I thought it would make me cool but it did not work and I never had the range to really stretch it out.
 
I think he originally used FN Mauser actions but felt they were not strong enough.

nof60,

Could you elaborate on this assertion ? Not to contradict you because I think that you are right but I have not been able to gather solid documentation on the subject.

Still, Roy Weatherby did drop the FN Mauser actions which are very sound actions. I suspect that there must be a reason more than a feeling for designing the Mark V action and he was already using the big Schultz & Larsen Super Magnum action - which is apparently very strong - for his .378 Weatherby Magnum cartridge.

Not that I consider the .378 Weatherby Magnum cartridge as being overrated though. Not at all.
 
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nof60,

Could you elaborate on this assertion ? Not to contradict you because I think that you are right but I have not been able to gather solid documentation on the subject.

Still, Roy Weatherby did drop the FN Mauser actions which are very sound actions. I suspect that there must be a reason more than a feeling for designing the Mark V action - and he was already using the big Schultz & Larsen Super Magnum action - which is apparently very strong - for his .378 Weatherby Magnum cartridge.

Not that I consider the .378 Weatherby Magnum cartridge as being overrated though. Not at all.

My son has a Weatherby FN Mauser that was built in 1951, chambered for the 270 Weatherby Magnum. The action is very smooth and well made, however not as robust as the Mark V. Together, we have three vintage Weatherby's, 2 German made and the original with the Mauser action. Many nay-sayers about Weatherby, but we had nothing but great shooting from these rifles and their cartridges..............they sure like to kill big whitetails!
 
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