Old 1911

All 5000 of the Colt .45ACP pistols purchased by the Canadian Government in 1914 were the commercial model (high-polish, oven blue,
checkered walnut grips.) Many of them (perhaps most) have no Canadian Government ownership markings because they were re-sold
to officers, who were indeed required to supply all of their own kit at personal expense.

Here's my 1914 Canadian-purchase Colt Government Model - which is actually the "correct" name for such commercial-production
pistols, in that time-frame at least, as "Model 1911" technically refers only to pistols made under the U.S. Government contract.
Admittedly, the Model 1911 name has become commonly applicable to all pistols of the design, but note that my Colt Authentication
Letter is careful to refer to it as a "Government Model" ....

My pistol was the personal sidearm of Major W.A. Mitchell, Canadian Army Service Corps, who served in the Canadian Expeditionary Force
at the Front in The Great War. I have acquired a copy of his entire C.E.F. service file from the National Archives - a copy of his
"Attestation Paper" is attached. The original leather holster which came with the pistol is marked "MAJ. W.A. Mitchell, O.C.
(i.e. Officer Commanding)
No. 5 COY, 2nd DIV. Train, C.E.F." - the first highlighted entry on the attached page from the War Diary
for the Divisional Train of the 2nd Canadian Division records his transfer to command of No. 5 Company, from command of No. 8 Company,
and the second highlighted entry records his being made President of what I assume was the combined Officer's Mess for the area (G.F.O.M.
- General Forces Officer's Mess perhaps?) The first part of the entry for July 10 on the same page is rather interesting, also.

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Shooting the oldies?

NAA and 1881, great looking guns. Do you still shoot them? I heard something about the old ones having softer metal or were prone to frame cracks with todays ammo?

Purists will likely recommend not shooting the oldies.

I have heard of others, whom after prolonged shooting of older Colt 1911's, having an issue of the breech face around the firing pin hole closing in due to the "softer metal" issue theorized. I have also seen slide and frame cracking. Of course, the actual round count and type of ammunition used [factory ammo vs hot reloads etc] is usually not known for the entire history of a given old 1911 pistol. [Figure a 1914 mfg pistol is 94 years old in 2008!]

That said I wouldn't hesitate to put a mag thru one of my 'oldie' Colt 1911's once in awhile...

Colt Government Model, mfg 1914:

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Colt Model of 1911 US Army, mfg 1917 [unfortunately finish reparked :(]:

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However, I'd make sure to install a new 16lb rated recoil spring with a shok buff on the recoil spring guide before shooting one, though. And keep the loads to factory rated hardball or equivalent [the load the pistol was designed for].

If I had a Colt Government Model as pristine as GrantR's above it would be relagated to 'show & tell' only and never see another round down the pipe. Remember, with the 'oldies' condition is everything.... ;)
 
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Grant is a pretty fancy guy, and he's got the guns to support it too! ;)

I shoot my old Colt, a mag once in a blue moon. Otherwise, its for appreciation, church on Sundays and the occasional weekend BBQ

And I wish I could find out who mine belonged to. Having a named holster sure makes it easier to track down.
 
Out of the three I own I put a mag through my 43 Rem Rand, few mags through the 43 Colt and I have never fired my 1916 Commercial.

I don't think I'll be shooting any of them now - I have my Norinco Stinko - aka the waffle cone as somebody here named it ;) to shoot lots.
 
Shooting the "oldies"...

Not sure if I can get up the nerve to put a mag down the pipe of this original 65 year old, though... :redface:

1943 mfg Union Switch & Signal 1911A1

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No hesitation with this 64 year old 'resto' USGI, though... :yingyang:

1944 mfg Remington Rand 1911A1 [refinished with some 'additions']:

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OK, here's a view of the "off side", which shows the only true issue with this pistol's condition (besides the regular holster wear) .... i.e. the small patch of pitting touching the second line of the Patent information .....

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Yet another view of the right side - as you may know, the holster is one of the Mills Equipment holsters acquired by Canada for issue with these pistols, surviving examples of which are fairly rare ......

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That wasn't the holster I got with the pistol, however ..... Major Mitchell had a nice leather holster to go with his Sam Browne equipment, which in itself has a built-in "story". The second private owner was Kenneth B Knox (a family friend of the retired Maj. Mitchell) who, as a newly commissioned Lieutenant in 1943, acquired the pistol and holster from Mitchell, and then had a shoemaker add a spare magazine pouch, regrettably not in matching leather ..... but I wouldn't consider removing it, since it is part of the history. I acquired the pistol and holster directly from Mr. Knox -

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A view of the markings under the flap - Major Mitchell's markings are a bit clearer than is apparent in this photo, as Lieut. Knox's stencil over top rather dominates this view. (The same information was also placed by Maj. Mitchell on the leather belt loop sewn to the back of the holster which, although partly effaced by wear, did aid in deciphering the markings -

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I have shot this pistol - I'm of the school of thought that firearms are meant to be fired - though I certainly don't do so often .... nor do I use it abusively, of course. I can accordingly confirm that it has the very stiff trigger pull intentionally built into the early production of this model .... which was intended for service use, frequently from horseback so they didn't want a touchy trigger!
 
Purists will likely recommend not shooting the oldies.

I have heard of others, whom after prolonged shooting of older Colt 1911's, having an issue of the breech face around the firing pin hole closing in due to the "softer metal" issue theorized. I have also seen slide and frame cracking. Of course, the actual round count and type of ammunition used [factory ammo vs hot reloads etc] is usually not known for the entire history of a given old 1911 pistol. [Figure a 1914 mfg pistol is 94 years old in 2008!]

That said I wouldn't hesitate to put a mag thru one of my 'oldie' Colt 1911's once in awhile...

Colt Government Model, mfg 1914:

2008-09-27_221041_1914COMM640a.jpg


Colt Model of 1911 US Army, mfg 1917 [unfortunately finish reparked :(]:

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2008-09-27_221000_1917USGI640b.jpg


However, I'd make sure to install a new 16lb rated recoil spring with a shok buff on the recoil spring guide before shooting one, though. And keep the loads to factory rated hardball or equivalent [the load the pistol was designed for].

If I had a Colt Government Model as pristine as GrantR's above it would be relagated to 'show & tell' only and never see another round down the pipe. Remember, with the 'oldies' condition is everything.... ;)

yours and Grants are some nice looking pieces of history.
 
Im gonna post the pic of my Norc 1911...to show you all! or maybe not,

keep the antique pics coming theres some nice stuff out there..
 
I just love that use and re-use of that 1911 into WWII Grant, it really adds to the whole history.
Ken Knox completed his Chemical Engineering degree before joining the Army in 1943 and, with that sort of training, he wasn't destined for the front lines, needless to say. But he told me that tales were already common of the inadequacy of the standard British/Commonwealth .380 Service Revolver cartridge, so he availed himself of the right officers still had to provide their own sidearm (though it was no longer a requirement of commissioned rank, by that time) to acquire this pistol from its original owner.
 
Those beautiful pictures of the Canadian contract pistols (or is it "those pictures of the beautiful Canadian contract pistols"?) moved me almost to tears. I am so ashamed of my boneheaded conversion of a 4 digit Colt to a shooter.

Oh joy!! I rummaged around the pistol cabinet and found a baggy of the original parts. Missing is the safety lever and the original sights, but if you saw my shop you would know they are probably here somewhere.

I am looking to getter her reunited with her original parts. Thanks for the motivation.

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This is the holster that came with the pistol. A friend's father carried it in this holster in the first war. It has a lot of wear marks on the inside, so I know it was used a lot.

There is nothing written anywhere on the holster. Does anyone recognise it as an issue or common holster?

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I have a 1917 version and they say 45 calibre(cool huh) of course mine is a five diget # and your guns are super nice.

Mine is a shooter cause it has been nickle plated!

Bob:)
 
Ganderite:

I assume that your friend's father was an officer, because they were required to supply all their own kit at personal expense, and also would be who would use a leather holster, in conjunction with their Sam Browne equipment. To the best of my knowledge, there was no prescribed pattern for Canadian officer's holsters for the Government Model Colt - other than in very general terms, perhaps, such as requirements that it have a flap, be of brown leather to match the rest of the equipment, and so on - so there was considerable variation because each officer would purchase his own holster from his outfitter.

The only "issue" Canadian holster I am aware of is the Mills Equipment Company web holster seen in most of my pictures above, and it would have been issued only to "Other Ranks" (i.e. NCO's and Privates) whose particular duties resulted in them being issued a pistol - e.g. dispatch riders, cavalry, etc.

For what it may be worth, although Canada purchased 5,000 of these Colt pistols in 1914, thereafter all official handgun purchases were the Smith & Wesson "Hand Ejector" revolver (also called the "New Century" model) chambered in .455, of which a total of 14,500 were acquired starting in 1915. This is my example (documented as having been shipped to "Canadian Government" on 24 December 1915) -

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Yes, he was an officer, and his son told me, when he sold me the pistol, that his dad had to buy his own pistol, so I guess that is the story that was passed down to him.

I have revolvers similar to the one you show. A Smith and a Colt, both in 455. What serial number range would be appropriate for a gov't purchase?
 
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