Old Glocks, do they exist?
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TDC this is a totally absurd statement, even from you. Most users will never have a need for a light or shoot enough for the second lock block pin to be an issue. Chuck Taylor has hundreds of thousands of rounds through an obsolete Gen 2
PS: the Gen2 grip is more comfortable than the Gen3 IMO.
TDC this is a totally absurd statement, even from you. Most users will never have a need for a light or shoot enough for the second lock block pin to be an issue. Chuck Taylor has hundreds of thousands of rounds through an obsolete Gen 2
PS: the Gen2 grip is more comfortable than the Gen3 IMO.
When will a civilian ever need a light mounted on a handgun? Even in competition the only low light duty pistol stages I've been in were flashlight in hand. The idea is to simulate and practice a LEO searching for and engaging targets. We civilians will NEVER legally be in that scenario. I had a 1st Gen model 22 shortly after EPS got theirs to shoot duty pistol matches. Sold it and got a P226. I now have a 3rd Gen model 17C with Tritium sights. Love the grip design. My 22 wore a Hogue slip on with the finger grooves that made it a little chubby. The new ones are perfectly sized for me now. But I would rather not have the light rail and wish it was an option. My old P226 is a slick frame too. The only job that makes sense to me to have a gun mounted light is a police K9 handler. Leash in one hand draw with the other if needed. But modern police forces always have at least 1 member with the dog handler as the cover man.
Anyone with real world training in tactics knows that attaching a light to the gun and turning it on means the bad guy will hit you dead center when he shoots at the light. Proper protocol is to hold the light with your arm stretched while searching and then marry up the hands for better support to aim. I don't know how we ever survived without Picatinny rails (we called them Weaver in my day
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Looks like someone forgot to tell CSOR!Anyone with real world training in tactics knows that attaching a light to the gun and turning it on means the bad guy will hit you dead center when he shoots at the light. Proper protocol is to hold the light with your arm stretched while searching and then marry up the hands for better support to aim. I don't know how we ever survived without Picatinny rails (we called them Weaver in my day
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Thinking many don't know a gen1 from a 2.
So many with a gen2 who call it a 1.
I'm under the impression a real gen1 would actually command a higher price.
Those police trades when they switched to gen3
Now go for around 550
Worn more than shot by the looks.
My fav is gen2
So many with a gen2 who call it a 1.
I'm under the impression a real gen1 would actually command a higher price.
Those police trades when they switched to gen3
Now go for around 550
Worn more than shot by the looks.
My fav is gen2
A lot of glocks are sitting in gunsafes, waiting for the next apocalypse. Their simplicity, and reliability, make them popular as "comfort guns".
I own a glock 20, but I put more rounds through my colt delta elite. The colt is more fun to shoot, is more accurate, and looks cooler. If I were heading for the bush, to escape the coming invasion, I'd be more likely to put the glock in my backpack. For the amount of money I'd get for the glock, why should I sell it? I just feel better, knowing it's sitting in my safe, ready to do its job.
I own a glock 20, but I put more rounds through my colt delta elite. The colt is more fun to shoot, is more accurate, and looks cooler. If I were heading for the bush, to escape the coming invasion, I'd be more likely to put the glock in my backpack. For the amount of money I'd get for the glock, why should I sell it? I just feel better, knowing it's sitting in my safe, ready to do its job.
TDC this is a totally absurd statement, even from you. Most users will never have a need for a light or shoot enough for the second lock block pin to be an issue. Chuck Taylor has hundreds of thousands of rounds through an obsolete Gen 2
PS: the Gen2 grip is more comfortable than the Gen3 IMO.
Most civilian users perhaps. The additional pin adds strength and a stronger system is always better. With the current price of a new Glock the idea of buying a used older gen makes no sense.
TDC
The only job that makes sense to me to have a gun mounted light is a police K9 handler. Leash in one hand draw with the other if needed. But modern police forces always have at least 1 member with the dog handler as the cover man.
Anyone with real world training in tactics knows that attaching a light to the gun and turning it on means the bad guy will hit you dead center when he shoots at the light. Proper protocol is to hold the light with your arm stretched while searching and then marry up the hands for better support to aim. I don't know how we ever survived without Picatinny rails (we called them Weaver in my day
So much fail in this post, it's almost comical.
My Gen 2 Glock 23s has over 50k rounds through it and it has never blown up even with full power defense loads and lead loads.This gun has been through 2 an 3 day courses that had some high round counts.It is also the gun that feed rounds other guns wont.
The next new Glock I get will most likely be a gen 4 10mm.
The next new Glock I get will most likely be a gen 4 10mm.
When will a civilian ever need a light mounted on a handgun? Even in competition the only low light duty pistol stages I've been in were flashlight in hand. The idea is to simulate and practice a LEO searching for and engaging targets. We civilians will NEVER legally be in that scenario. I had a 1st Gen model 22 shortly after EPS got theirs to shoot duty pistol matches. Sold it and got a P226. I now have a 3rd Gen model 17C with Tritium sights. Love the grip design. My 22 wore a Hogue slip on with the finger grooves that made it a little chubby. The new ones are perfectly sized for me now. But I would rather not have the light rail and wish it was an option. My old P226 is a slick frame too. The only job that makes sense to me to have a gun mounted light is a police K9 handler. Leash in one hand draw with the other if needed. But modern police forces always have at least 1 member with the dog handler as the cover man.
Anyone with real world training in tactics knows that attaching a light to the gun and turning it on means the bad guy will hit you dead center when he shoots at the light. Proper protocol is to hold the light with your arm stretched while searching and then marry up the hands for better support to aim. I don't know how we ever survived without Picatinny rails (we called them Weaver in my day
Gun mounted lights are a superior option to handheld. They don't get lost during a reload, you can operate both gun and light with one hand should you be wounded or otherwise without the use of one hand, at close range the focused light beam acts as a rough aiming point, and with the light mounted the pistol is ambidextrous. Mounted lights allow both hands to operate the firearm and maintain better control. The mounted light allows for proper traditional reloads as well.
The belief that you will only get shot if you use a gun mounted light is an ignorant myth perpetuated by those who fail to understand the use of the light. The light should not be turned on like a beacon of hope. Short flashes of light while observing/clearing the area are more effective and reduce the chances of being a lead magnet. After you flash the area you MOVE to avoid attracting gunfire. Where you point the light is also where your pistol(or rifle) is pointed. If what you see is a threat, shoot it. If you can't beat the bad guy to the trigger you need to find a new career.
The light technique you vaguely described is called the off body technique or modified FBI. It has merit, but why anyone would suggest running it only to preach that upon contact they should reacquire a two handed grip is beyond me. Separating your hands only to reunite them later is a waste of effort and time. Stick to a method that works from the get go and be done with it. If you can't make hits dominant only then don't use the modFBI/off body method.
Final note, if a gun mounted light is such a lead magnet, why does every SWAT/ERT/SRT team etc as well as every SF unit known to man run one mounted as close to the bore as possible? Do they enjoy getting shot or are they above the mere mortal man?
TDC
Anyone with real world training in tactics knows that attaching a light to the gun and turning it on means the bad guy will hit you dead center when he shoots at the light. Proper protocol is to hold the light with your arm stretched while searching and then marry up the hands for better support to aim. I don't know how we ever survived without Picatinny rails (we called them Weaver in my day
Um, okay, I TEACH "real world" tactics, and the FBI flashlight technique is ONE option. (Moving the light away from the body to search a dark space). I don't like it, because I am not a monstrously strong individual, and I find myself feeling unbalanced with my weak side arm held out way to one side, while trying to also consider the pistol in my strong hand only. YMMV.
The FUNDAMENTAL issue to remember when using a light and pistol is "LIGHT ON, SHOOT, LIGHT OFF, LATERAL MOVE"
I would LOVE to have a light on my issue pistol, because it frees one hand - "In the real world", I HAVE had a bad guy at gun point, with my flashlight in my hand, and realized" Now, how the frick do I operate my radio to let my partners know where I am? - I ended up proning the bad guy out, and holstering up, so that I could manipulate my radio, hoping that the flashlight would not let him be aware of my now holstered firearm. It worked - That time.
A light on a pistol is a great idea - but again, is only one tool in the toolbox, that your mind must learn how to employ.
My points were aimed at street cops/users not SWAT, ERT etc. They carry a sidearm as a backup to what's hanging on a sling on their shoulder or around their neck. Much like the pic posted already.
Thanks for the real world examples. I will rethink what I was taught and expand. I've been out of the game for a bit butit's nice to see training hasn't remained static but is progressing. Stay safe nelly.
I still am waiting to hear why a civilian feels they have a use for the light rail? Bad guys breaking in at night? Pretend room clearings in the house after the wife and kids go to bed? Post badass pics on your Facebook? Compensate for lack of ##### size, no friends......?
LOL. Dude, that's some funny s**t right there.
Do you always feel so superior, or is it a special occasion?
Edit: And for that matter, why the hell do civi's feel the use for a handgun, anyway?
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