Old vs new style WAA12F114 wads

[ginsingjones]

I'm fairly new to shotgun reloading and found recipes for loading the lyman 525 slug.
In these recipes it is calling for waa12f114 wads. Now I have heard winchester remodeled their waa12f114 wad and it is almost the same specs as their waa12 white wad.
I have tried loading a few with the white wad and my crimps are tenting. I am just wondering if perhaps the recipes are for the old style wad.
Can anyone out there tell me if there is a significant difference between new production yellow wad vs the white waa12.
I am strictly looking at OEM winchester brand.
Thanks

 

[yomomma]

Loading slugs is always trial and error. Took me a while to settle on a wad, wad trim length and nitro card.

Materials aren't expensive so try another wad and have some card or another on hand to bump slug height.

 

[3macs1]

I'm fairly new to shotgun reloading and found recipes for loading the lyman 525 slug.
In these recipes it is calling for waa12f114 wads. Now I have heard winchester remodeled their waa12f114 wad and it is almost the same specs as their waa12 white wad.
I have tried loading a few with the white wad and my crimps are tenting. I am just wondering if perhaps the recipes are for the old style wad.
Can anyone out there tell me if there is a significant difference between new production yellow wad vs the white waa12.
I am strictly looking at OEM winchester brand.
Thanks

The new yellow are pretty much the same as the waa12 maybe a few thousand difference in the length but I don't think wincherster makes them any more period in the 114 size and the new yellows maybe claybusters. They are not close to the original winchester yellow 114 which I would say your recipes are for so yes you are going to have capacity issues especially with slugs.
I have heard that the down range wad is identical to the old winchester yellow but have not compared them
Problem is I use down range in my 28ga and have to buy them state side when I am down. I don't know of a canadian source, maybe someone does
Cheers

 

[ginsingjones]

Thanks for confirming that. I did find a source for the OEM yellow wads but I will cancel my order. Guess I will need to scare up some waa12r wads and use some nitro cards.
Thanks again for your help

 

[coreyd]

A few years ago when I found out that the f114's had been discontinued and heard that Epps had a bunch left... well, I bought them out. Have enough to hopefully last me the rest of my life.

 

[ginsingjones]

You are very lucky there. I'm hoping to find someone getting out of shotshell loading that might have a stash of them somewhere. For me 500 would probably last a long time.
I tried some waa12r wads but petals will be too thick I think. Those wads with a slug couldn't be pushed through my choke.
Back to the drawing board I suppose