Ontario Moose hunt just died....

madtrapper143 said:
Just a quick comparator for interest. Maine has 75,000 moose. Ontario has 80,000. Maine has very low numbers (if any) of wolves compared to Ontario's 8,000 to 10,000. Maine has 23,000 black bears Ontario's estimate is 80,000. Maine has temperate winters compared to moose range Ontario. ( in case climate change is to be considered) Maine allows 3125 moose tags per season. 800 of these are antlerless ( cow or calf) the rest are for bulls only. Ontario allows 16,826 tags which includes cow calf tag numbers of around 10,000. With tag allotment(with party hunting in Ontario but now allowed in Maine) and the amount of predators it is obvious that we need to reduce the number of moose harvested by hunters if we want to increase the moose herd. The factors of indigenous harvest, bear/wolf predation are largely beyond our control so it boils down to taking a kick and dropping the moose tags even lower. Ontario hunters killed about 4,000 moose in 2018. Maine hunters killed 2,400 in 2018. I think that a 2 year hiatus on moose hunting (with close MNR&F bio observation) would reveal some interesting affect on moose numbers. I have no prediction they may go up, they may go down or stay the same. But at least we would have a baseline to start moose management with. Maine's successful ( to say the least) way of managing moose is largely the low issuance of tags and subsequent low harvest. I don't like this any more than any one else but we have to greatly reduce the number of moose we shoot each year to have the population grow. The season hiatus would support that action possibly. There may be many factors using up the moose that we are not aware of or feel that they are significant. Maine is quickly approaching an overpopulation of moose (due to land mass size) we on the other hand should be able to increase our herd to 190,000 animals with minimal environmental impact. Anyways just pondering hope the numbers are interesting.
sources OFAH moose management review, Ontario Ministry of natural Resources and Forestry moose hunting regs and Maine Department if Inland Fisheries and Wildlife.
Darryl
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Well said
 
the spank said:
Fixed it for you!
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Well, I will fix it back............

The bear hunt was cancelled in 1999.

Mike Harris was Premier from June 26 1995 to April 14 2002 the 36th and 37th Parliament's of Ont

Ernie Eves was Premier from April 15 2002 to Oct 22 2003...

But they were both Conservatives.
 
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madtrapper143 said:
Just a quick comparator for interest. Maine has 75,000 moose. Ontario has 80,000. Maine has very low numbers (if any) of wolves compared to Ontario's 8,000 to 10,000. Maine has 23,000 black bears Ontario's estimate is 80,000. Maine has temperate winters compared to moose range Ontario. ( in case climate change is to be considered) Maine allows 3125 moose tags per season. 800 of these are antlerless ( cow or calf) the rest are for bulls only. Ontario allows 16,826 tags which includes cow calf tag numbers of around 10,000. With tag allotment(with party hunting in Ontario but now allowed in Maine) and the amount of predators it is obvious that we need to reduce the number of moose harvested by hunters if we want to increase the moose herd. The factors of indigenous harvest, bear/wolf predation are largely beyond our control so it boils down to taking a kick and dropping the moose tags even lower. Ontario hunters killed about 4,000 moose in 2018. Maine hunters killed 2,400 in 2018. I think that a 2 year hiatus on moose hunting (with close MNR&F bio observation) would reveal some interesting affect on moose numbers. I have no prediction they may go up, they may go down or stay the same. But at least we would have a baseline to start moose management with. Maine's successful ( to say the least) way of managing moose is largely the low issuance of tags and subsequent low harvest. I don't like this any more than any one else but we have to greatly reduce the number of moose we shoot each year to have the population grow. The season hiatus would support that action possibly. There may be many factors using up the moose that we are not aware of or feel that they are significant. Maine is quickly approaching an overpopulation of moose (due to land mass size) we on the other hand should be able to increase our herd to 190,000 animals with minimal environmental impact. Anyways just pondering hope the numbers are interesting.
sources OFAH moose management review, Ontario Ministry of natural Resources and Forestry moose hunting regs and Maine Department if Inland Fisheries and Wildlife.
Darryl
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Good points but a even better to compare is Quebec

South of the St Laurence in Quebec. I’ve hunted in their provincial parks. Matane has 3 moose/square kilometre. It’s smaller than Algonquin park and they kill over 400 moose per season just in that park, the season in that park opens before the rest of Quebec and closes later. Boarders New Brunswick which has a 5 day season?.....
 
So can anyone attest to the accuracy of reported moose density populations? I'm not disputing there is lower numbers, but the MNR is underfunded as well as understaffed. That and the moose questionnaire that hunters fill out is honour based.
 
thepolinator said:
Sure, lets keep the land that we gained in those treaties and reneg on the commitments we made to obtain the land. Seems honourable.
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Everyone else will be responsible for the sake of the environment while others crush beers and sit by a light taking everything they can. How honourable does that sound ? The system is necessary and so is a rethinking of this stupid way of doing things.
 
Eenie said:
So can anyone attest to the accuracy of reported moose density populations? I'm not disputing there is lower numbers, but the MNR is underfunded as well as understaffed. That and the moose questionnaire that hunters fill out is honour based.
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I spend most of my summer in a plane from the Sault to the Manitoba border and north, I see lots and lots of moose and quality bulls. They just are not on the road!!
 
Calf hunting should be banned .
Cow hunting should be banned for 5 years
Bear and wolf tags should be free

I wish people would stop whining about the new system. People seem to think that just because they were given a tag, or purchased one they should fill that tag. Most people are to blame for where we are now in this system
 
constructoman said:
Calf hunting should be banned .
Cow hunting should be banned for 5 years
Bear and wolf tags should be free

I wish people would stop whining about the new system. People seem to think that just because they were given a tag, or purchased one they should fill that tag. Most people are to blame for where we are now in this system
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I have had 9 calf tags and always go out for moose season. Great time of the year for a walk in the woods, never have had any intention harvesting a calf.
 
constructoman said:
Calf hunting should be banned .
Cow hunting should be banned for 5 years
Bear and wolf tags should be free

I wish people would stop whining about the new system. People seem to think that just because they were given a tag, or purchased one they should fill that tag. Most people are to blame for where we are now in this system
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I’d go along with that
 
Angry post... wow. lot's of misleading theories that I can see... but I'm a Prairie Dog...what do I know LoL
Surprising... but Moose do fine on the prairies... don't taste as good I've heard...too much Sage in their diet?
 
constructoman said:
Calf hunting should be banned .
Bear and wolf tags should be free
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Bear and wolf tags used to be covered under a small game license but you could get more . So 1 biologist did a study of 1 pack in Algonquin Park and discovered a new species and was laughed at and shamed by his peers when he published his results and was thoroughly discredited by the scientific community but the antis used him to save the wolves and now we can only purchase 2 tags per year in northern and northwestern Ontario where the best estimate is 10,000 to 15,000 wolves and growing . We should be allowed to purchase as many as we want as it wouldn't put a dent in the population as northern and northwestern Ontario are big places with only a few roads and very limited winter access .

With bears , when their status was changed from vermin to big game a lot of interest was lost because people don't want the meat . I don't mind a quarter but i don't want a full bear . I know guys who'd go out and hunt bear in a heart beat for a tanned hide , a rug or a mount but they don't want the meat and don't want to be charged with letting game meat spoil . Around here everyone will take some moose , deer , duck , fish or just about any game but it's almost impossible to even give 1 bear roast away . My world isnt gunnutz where every hunter loves bear more than elk and moose put together . Leave bear with their big game status but remove the mandatory aspect of taking all of the meat and a lot more hunters would head out .
 
Jaaska said:
Bear and wolf tags used to be covered under a small game license but you could get more . So 1 biologist did a study of 1 pack in Algonquin Park and discovered a new species and was laughed at and shamed by his peers when he published his results and was thoroughly discredited by the scientific community but the antis used him to save the wolves and now we can only purchase 2 tags per year in northern and northwestern Ontario where the best estimate is 10,000 to 15,000 wolves and growing . We should be allowed to purchase as many as we want as it wouldn't put a dent in the population as northern and northwestern Ontario are big places with only a few roads and very limited winter access .

With bears , when their status was changed from vermin to big game a lot of interest was lost because people don't want the meat . I don't mind a quarter but i don't want a full bear . I know guys who'd go out and hunt bear in a heart beat for a tanned hide , a rug or a mount but they don't want the meat and don't want to be charged with letting game meat spoil . Around here everyone will take some moose , deer , duck , fish or just about any game but it's almost impossible to even give 1 bear roast away . My world isnt gunnutz where every hunter loves bear more than elk and moose put together . Leave bear with their big game status but remove the mandatory aspect of taking all of the meat and a lot more hunters would head out .
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Gonna sound off from the other side of the Bear meat thing. Too many parasites for my taste... I'm a Rare to Med Rare fellow... Well Done isn't in my vocabulary.
No thanks to the wormy meat... I'm good, thanks.
 
Jaaska said:
My world isnt gunnutz where every hunter loves bear more than elk and moose put together . Leave bear with their big game status but remove the mandatory aspect of taking all of the meat and a lot more hunters would head out .
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I would not support that... people just need to get out of their heads and realize that bear meat is excellent eating. In blind taste tests at our annual family wild game dinner, the bear dishes are invariably the favorites.

I would hate to see bear carcasses left in the bush to rot, although I know that is legal and acceptable in other jurisdictions.
 
I never understood the cow and calf harvest when I lived in ON. This point system may prove to be a good way for individuals to get a bull tag finally.

hoytcanon said:
... people just need to get out of their heads and realize that bear meat is excellent eating. In blind taste tests at our annual family wild game dinner, the bear dishes are invariably the favorites.
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I've yet to have a single complaint....or leftovers when I bring a bear ham to dinner. Can't wait to tag another this spring.
Some hunters know their way around the kitchen, others don't.
 
Jaaska said:
Bear and wolf tags used to be covered under a small game license but you could get more . So 1 biologist did a study of 1 pack in Algonquin Park and discovered a new species and was laughed at and shamed by his peers when he published his results and was thoroughly discredited by the scientific community but the antis used him to save the wolves and now we can only purchase 2 tags per year in northern and northwestern Ontario where the best estimate is 10,000 to 15,000 wolves and growing . We should be allowed to purchase as many as we want as it wouldn't put a dent in the population as northern and northwestern Ontario are big places with only a few roads and very limited winter access .
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worse yet is some WMU's, 42 for example where my camp is, there is no take allowed of coyotes or wolves, to protect these rare mythical wolves.

As for the bear meat, I don't understand how people don't like it. My wife rarely eats wild game, but she loves bear and encourages me to go get more.
Its not "wormy" meat as someone said, it has a parasite that was very common in commercial pork for decades and we all survived that.

I get some people have a mental block to bear meat, but in reality that is all it is.
 
constructoman said:
Calf hunting should be banned .
Cow hunting should be banned for 5 years
Bear and wolf tags should be free

I wish people would stop whining about the new system. People seem to think that just because they were given a tag, or purchased one they should fill that tag. Most people are to blame for where we are now in this system
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In the area I hunt in Alberta I can draw a special moose calf tag every two years. I takes about 7 to get a bull tag in that area. I normally kill a calf in the first two or three days of hunting. There are only two WMU''s you can get this draw in. It is a special CALF tag only and a first year calf must be taken , a second year is illegal as is an immature cow or small bull, and antlerless tags are not given out at all.
The area has an abundance of moose.
However, it is mostly private farm land, and permission is not easy to get most times.
The bull population is absolutely excellent as well as the cow population.
The wolves and coyotes are kept under control form the most part, but the big one to my way of thinking is indigenous hunting is NEVER granted, and anyone caught on private land is charged with trespassing. Outfitters form the most part are not welcomed either.
Cat
 
iron cat said:
In the area I hunt in Alberta I can draw a special moose calf tag every two years. I takes about 7 to get a bull tag in that area. I normally kill a calf in the first two or three days of hunting. There are only two WMU''s you can get this draw in. It is a special CALF tag only and a first year calf must be taken , a second year is illegal as is an immature cow or small bull, and antlerless tags are not given out at all.
The area has an abundance of moose.
However, it is mostly private farm land, and permission is not easy to get most times.
The bull population is absolutely excellent as well as the cow population.
The wolves and coyotes are kept under control form the most part, but the big one to my way of thinking is indigenous hunting is NEVER granted, and anyone caught on private land is charged with trespassing. Outfitters form the most part are not welcomed either.
Cat
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I hunt in perhaps the same zone, 510, and when I pull a calf tag I normally have my calf on the first day or 2 of hunting, I am hunting Crown land.

This zone went to a Antlered and Calf only draw system perhaps 25 years ago, the moose population has made a huge recovery as the cows are only harassed by the native hunters who are sticking to the roads.

People were against the changes and said that the moose hunting was going to be ruined in those zones, and these changes would see the end of hunting.

ummm... I guess they were wrong

I will admit that I have hunted a lot more deer in the last 25 years then moose but when you have a little group of 4 or 5 guys and you plan your individual tag applications and priorities you can be eating moose every year. There are no group application or group tag priorities in Alberta so everyone has the same chances based on priority.
 
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