Ontario moose ... New Rules
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You want an over-the-counter bull tag? There would be no bulls left in Ontario after a couple of years, and the bush would be a sea of orange.
Doesn't Quebec have a similar system, with bull tags every 2nd year or something similar? Their moose populations seem to be quite healthy.
Thing is, deer thrive in close proximity to humans, moose don't. Maybe re-instating the spring bear hunt will help somewhat, and having serious discussions with certain groups to convince them to self-regulate their harvests would help.
Chuckbuster
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Quote Originally Posted by my72jeep View Post
I read it as $35 then $15 then $30/$150/$200 if picked.
“Each of those tags would have their own cost, with a bull tag priced the highest at $200. A hunter who buys a $35 licence, pays the $15 application fee and is who is successful getting a bull tag will have a total cost of $250.”
Kodiak Jack
Nah. From the article:
“A hunter can purchase a moose hunting licence to party hunt with another tag holder but won't be required to purchase a moose hunting licence to apply for a tag.”
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I think you guys are arguing two sides of same coin and are both correct. For the guy with the bull tag, it's $250, for another guy who wants to party hunt with him, it's $35...+ any cost splitting of the tag and application fees.
I read it as $35 then $15 then $30/$150/$200 if picked.
“Each of those tags would have their own cost, with a bull tag priced the highest at $200. A hunter who buys a $35 licence, pays the $15 application fee and is who is successful getting a bull tag will have a total cost of $250.”
Kodiak Jack
Nah. From the article:
“A hunter can purchase a moose hunting licence to party hunt with another tag holder but won't be required to purchase a moose hunting licence to apply for a tag.”
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I think you guys are arguing two sides of same coin and are both correct. For the guy with the bull tag, it's $250, for another guy who wants to party hunt with him, it's $35...+ any cost splitting of the tag and application fees.
That has always been the main problem with moose in Ontario. 2 sets of rules and one of those rules is that the certain group you allude to has no rules.
billbmcleod
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Having hunted moose for 50 years or so and having missed a few due to family commitments I think I have only seen a couple of calves that were shootable. I don't think that many are shot. This may be my last year moose hunting and if our group gets a tag it will be me that draws it. Under the new system I think previous applications should still recognize continuous applications or else start everyone at zero. Another shortcoming would be all the individual hunters that applied in their local WMU of choice with virtually no chance of success. They would be at the top of the list. I do realize a lot of individuals did not apply in a lot of cases simply because all the tags seemed to go to groups.
It doesn't seem it has been 40years of selective harvest but maybe it has.
I hope the MNRF can do it right this time and actually follow the advisory group's guidelines.
One thing for sure though it will not make everyone happy!
It doesn't seem it has been 40years of selective harvest but maybe it has.
I hope the MNRF can do it right this time and actually follow the advisory group's guidelines.
One thing for sure though it will not make everyone happy!
Always found that a bit odd that we, the destroyers of nature, would implement rules to protect and preserve wildlife, whereas the friends of nature refuse to abide by those very same rules, or at very least implement equivalent rules. You'd think the rules they would use would be stricter than ours. Oh well, kinda like burning tires to protect the environment, I guess.
No, I was just explaining about the $15 application fee each year. You don’t have to buy the $35 license first in order to apply. Just the $15 bucks. You only been to pay the $35 if you’re successfully drawn, or plan to join another successfully drawn hunter on their tag.
Too bad that you make a generalized statement like you did without any facts. Yes many groups had put in sons, daughters, wives etc, but if one of them drew the tag, the only transfer was the one the computer generated, no other. Don't forget the sons, daughters, wives etc all took the Hunter safety course and applied the first year as a Pool 2 applicant, then again the next year as a Pool 1 and if they eventually drew a tag, reverted back to a Pool 2. We couldn't put a bunch of non hunters in out group draw request because if one of them drew the tag, the computer could have made a transfer available to another one of the non goers and then non of us goes hunting.
We did put in a few non goers but made sure that they were relatively newer Pool 1 people so they wouldn't be drawing a tag, only using them as numbers to increase our group size. They bought the licence to enter the draw just like anyone else. A majority of groups used this type of system because it helped us get a tag but it also required us to change WMU's quite often over the years when the required group size increased.
You call it abuse of the system but your wrong. The MNR set up the system and we just looked at it and said, how can we use the system to our best advantage, that's all.
The last paragraph in your post was absolute BS.
Dorian Gray
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A side part of all of this was that there was a proposition put forward to change the way the wolf/coyote hunting is regulated in northern ontario. I've looked but can't find any information to see what decision was made. Has anyone heard of anything on this one?
Here's a link to the proposal: https://ero.ontario.ca/notice/019-0406
Here's a link to the proposal: https://ero.ontario.ca/notice/019-0406
Taking the hunter safety course with NO INTENTION of hunting doesnt make anyone a moose hunter.
Yes, you used the system to your advantage.
IF a bunch of other NON HUNTERS took the course and applied for tags specifically so YOU and all the other legitimate moose hunters will have a lesser chance of drawing would you call that "using the system to their advantage"? Or would you call it something else.
As for what you say is BS well, I know what I saw with my own eyes.
yah, that will work....won't be a moose left in ON in 5 years
Should have been more clear.... I meant to run it like the whitetail hunt in regards to the fawns and does being protected and the bucks being the primary target....
And no, not proposing a free for all on bull tags aither.....
You said you saw this for your own eyes? Don’t think so, and that’s why I called BS.
This post is what I called BS on. You said “whoever got the tag transferred it to buddy”. Guess you don’t know how the transfer system works. As I said before, the MNR draw computer decides who will be issued the tag if the group is successful and also prints on the tag who they decide who the transferee will be, no exceptions. Buddy doesn’t get it..... Appears you don’t either.
On the contrary, I do get it.
When they applied they all specified buddy as the person it’s to be transferred to.
Because they know they aren’t going hunting
So, simple answer.... Run it like whitetail as i said...... No transfers but party hunting is allowed and you actually have to be there to hunt....
Oh my, you still don’t get it. I’ll try one more time.
When anyone applies to the draw, either in a group or individual, if they draw a tag that tag is given to the person who the computer picks based on how long since the person has consecutively entered the draw. In the case of groups if a group member is awarded a tag it’s based on the same thing but on the group tag there is one transfer allowed and that transfer can only be transferred to the person in the group that is next in line in that group and that person is specifically posted in code on the tag. When you said “When they applied they all specified buddy as the person it’s to be transferred to.” , you were totally BS’n as that can’t be done.
If you don’t believe what I’m telling you, call the MNR for clarification. I’m out.....
lazyfarmer
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I don't know how it was in other groups but we always entered as a party and it wasn't necessarily the longest suffering guy who got the tag. We had one older fellow who hadn't drew a tag in 25 years of applying, another one drew 2 tags in first 7 years of hunting with us. I don't buy the "computer generated" list of longest wait time despite what the MNR says.
