Ontario moose tags wohoo got a cow tag 21a affter 10 years trying who else got one

Wow, some real strange opinions in here.... You do know when they surveyed moose, they only studied 1 WMU, and then applied those numbers across the entire province right?
Anyone who thinks there is a shortage should drive up 69 to sudbury, when you get to Point Au'baril, keep your eyes peeled.
 
TedNugent said:
Wow, some real strange opinions in here.... You do know when they surveyed moose, they only studied 1 WMU, and then applied those numbers across the entire province right?
Anyone who thinks there is a shortage should drive up 69 to sudbury, when you get to Point Au'baril, keep your eyes peeled.
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your statement kind of contradicts your own post. you're suggesting that because there is a higher concentration of moose in the sudbury/point au'baril area that there is not a shortage in the rest of the province (exact same how you point out that the MNR surveyed 1 area didn't see as many and concluded there was a deficit in numbers), generally you are right that a low or high population density in one area does not make it true for another.

i'm going to go out on a limb here and say no one truly knows state of the moose situation, we're all speculating based on our own anecdotal evidence. the general consensus however is that it is in the decline. i agree that shooting calves definitely isn't helping.
 
dogger1 said:
Its been ten years plus for me to get a tag ,almost gave up. Well the old savage is comming out to play finally.now busy going over maps and making lists.
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Congrats! I am skunked again this year. Only apply for a Bull tag, and won't hunt a calf/cow. I am no scientologist but you'd think being in the same "deer" species that the same practice for Whitetail would apply so don't believe in shooting next years potential bull. But my 0.02 on that.

On that I don't buy 649 tickets, just buy Moose, and Elk draws for Ontario. I consider Whitetail, Turkey and Bear my scratch tickets;)
 
Stopped going for moose a couple of years back.Needed 20 hunters to get a tag or ,some ridiculous number,and then there are so many hunters trying to hunt in cuts that are becoming scarce due to the forestry business decline.Go for deer and might go back for moose later when it gets better.V:I:
 
dogger1 said:
Its been ten years plus for me to get a tag ,almost gave up. Well the old savage is comming out to play finally.now busy going over maps and making lists.
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Congrats dogger! 3 friends and I joined up with a group of "old timers" avg age 70! They have been hunting 21a for over 20 yrs. Only got 2 moose. One was a nice bull last year around 900 pounds. We helped change their tactics a little. Plan well. Find a good site near water. A good canoe or john boat. Leave early in the morning "O dark 30" travel silently and away from roads down the river or lake shore. They are there. If you road hunt you will just burn gas and come home empty handed. We drew a bull tag again. Hoping to find another one. Oh and bring a 20 ga with skeet load for some pine chickens. TASTY! Maybe i will run into you up there. Best of luck!
 
Oh and i forgot the pike and northern pike fishing is also fabulous. Red devils 5 of diamonds and some blue silver spoons have been our best.
 
Congrats on getting the tag, I hope ya manage to bag one.

I want to ask the crowd if the stories about the(native) indian population abusing their status and harvesting multiple moose (likely for black market meat sales) The playing field is possibly not quite level as MNR must pander to both the corrupt & the inept before they look at issuing any tags to us "peasants" It was mentioned earlier that a legit census of moose needs to be done, and the population needs to be managed with some common sense, even if it pisses off hunters or sacred cows (In this case native indians rather than a female moose with calf)
 
I have heard tales of "hunters" going at night with spot lights on trucks and filling up on deer and moose from a cousin near the sault. He no longer hunts because of this. I have never seen it because i live in southern ontario. The natives that stopped by our camp after we hung our moose congratulated us and were quite nice. They asked for the hide which we quite proudly gave them. We had no use for it and why waste it. They were extremely thankful. I believe they arent all bad. It only takes one bad apple to ruin the bunch so to speak.
 
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natives i ran into over previous years have been great .you get the odd one that may seem off but thats in all people.you treat them or anyoe and most times you get respect back.ive had worse problems with non natives .we had left all out gear at camp north of pickle lake .i went for a chiken run with the atv and i turned around 5 min into the hunt as something didnt feel right. sure enough there was a pick up in our camp and i actually caught the guy rumaging through my outfitter tent . i pulled up and blocked the truck door with my shotgun and 1 bird .walked up to him and asked what he was doing .he was definatly non native .got on the sat phone and called rcmp as there was a lot of gear in the back of the truck ie 3-4 chainsaws a few burners and other items. he back pedled saying ge was looking for his feiends .i let it go at that but the police stopped him about 4 miles south of camp on tge main rd.he was in the side of the road sitting down hand cuffed. i got a call 4 hours latter asking i was missing anything as they had found his camp with another fellow with everything from outboards to atvs that were missing in the last few weeks.this had nothing to do with natives just a bunch of turds .now we always have a camp bitc* for the daw
 
Good luck on your hunt. I took a bull in 21A many years ago and it is a very nice unit... they upped the tags there due to trying to reduce the competition with woodland caribou. I also hunted 21B for several years and took a couple whopper bulls there as well... those were all in the archery season though. I did do pretty extensive scouting of both units, but that is likely outdated info.
 
dogger1 said:
natives i ran into over previous years have been great .you get the odd one that may seem off but thats in all people.you treat them or anyoe and most times you get respect back.ive had worse problems with non natives .we had left all out gear at camp north of pickle lake .i went for a chiken run with the atv and i turned around 5 min into the hunt as something didnt feel right. sure enough there was a pick up in our camp and i actually caught the guy rumaging through my outfitter tent . i pulled up and blocked the truck door with my shotgun and 1 bird .walked up to him and asked what he was doing .he was definatly non native .got on the sat phone and called rcmp as there was a lot of gear in the back of the truck ie 3-4 chainsaws a few burners and other items. he back pedled saying ge was looking for his feiends .i let it go at that but the police stopped him about 4 miles south of camp on tge main rd.he was in the side of the road sitting down hand cuffed. i got a call 4 hours latter asking i was missing anything as they had found his camp with another fellow with everything from outboards to atvs that were missing in the last few weeks.this had nothing to do with natives just a bunch of turds .now we always have a camp bitc* for the daw
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Been great since they slaughtered them b4 you got there. Only people that can buy super duty f150s that have a 3rd headlight out the side
 
dogger1 said:
Its been ten years plus for me to get a tag ,almost gave up. Well the old savage is comming out to play finally.now busy going over maps and making lists.
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Gun cow moose tags were available in wmu 21a in the surplus tag pool this year.
That means there were more tags than applicants in the main draw.
I wish the mnr would copy the method they use in maine where there is a healthy moose population.
Ontario doesn't want to give up the licence money so moose are sacrificed for dollars and the ontario politicians don't have the guts to restrict harvesting by the indians.
 
torontogungal said:
Ontario doesn't want to give up the licence money so moose are sacrificed for dollars...
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They don't have to give out tags to get our money... we have to buy the licence just to apply... by the time they hold the draw, our cash is already in their pocket.
 
In maine you buy a license and if you don't get drawn in the lottery you don't hunt moose that year.
No adult tag, no calf hunt, no nothing.
Some resident mainers have never received an adult tag in their lives after applying for 20+ years.

Of course many mainers have dropped out of the lottery and that is what ontario doesn't want to happen up here.
The moose population in maine is healthy and thriving.
We see several moose every day when we go deer hunting in maine.
 
torontogungal said:
In maine you buy a license and if you don't get drawn in the lottery you don't hunt moose that year.
No adult tag, no calf hunt, no nothing.
Some resident mainers have never received an adult tag in their lives after applying for 20+ years.

Of course many mainers have dropped out of the lottery and that is what ontario doesn't want to happen up here.
The moose population in maine is healthy and thriving.
We see several moose every day when we go deer hunting in maine.
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I'm told that this years Ontario Moose license sales are off by 32%. If that's accurate,OMNRF needs to adapt a new system for sales before we lose it all.
 
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