Ontario police using reloads?

[Bigbubba]

I don’t know what the difference would be between new factory ammo and commercially reloaded ammo?
So the brass has been used, so what?
The quality controls are what matters.

Wolf ammo lists Peel regional police as a client on their website. But perhaps that is for practice?
But Wolf manufactures ammo, as does Centaure, who list Garda as a client among others, so what’s the difference between these 2 manufacturing companies and say Winchester?

It’s all factory ammunition.

 

[silverfoxdj]

There may be a liability issue using reloads you never know what Lawyers think up

 

[Shooter_HKT]

So if Winchester were to use once fired brass they would be considered reloaded ammo. I wonder at what volume a home reloader could be considered a manufacturer...only if use new brass?

 

[silverfoxdj]

So if Winchester were to use once fired brass they would be considered reloaded ammo. I wonder at what volume a home reloader could be considered a manufacturer...only if use new brass?

You can not be a manufacturer without the proper licensing as a manufacturer and Insurance I believe

 

[southwest maddog]

The O.P.P. started using frangible ammunition about three years ago for practice and all duty ammo are new factory rounds.

 

[Uisge]

Well I hope their not using +p defense ammo for practice! But the way the government spends our taxes it wouldn’t surprise me.

 

[Magellann]

If you seen how much they can go through practicing at our range , you would see how much your taxes pay for ammo. Lots!

 

[Magellann]

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Back in revolver days, some departments certainly loaded/reloaded their own practice ammunition, and if enough brass was ordered it could be custom head-stamped.
Calgary was also loading/reloading for .40 S&W after the transition to Glocks in the early 1990s, but I don't know if that is still the case.

I guess that makes it easy to identify after a shootout.

 

[Bad Karma]

Frang is a lot more expensive than duty

 

[silverfoxdj]

How much ammo they use would be the lease of my worries..

 

[Fox]

Isn't the first rule of reloading to not to ever use someone else's reloads?

You have to trust what you shoot, that is the only rule.

This person trusted that reloader, I would trust a few people but not many.

 

[Bigbubba]

So if Winchester were to use once fired brass they would be considered reloaded ammo. I wonder at what volume a home reloader could be considered a manufacturer...only if use new brass?

I would imagine they have quality control methods that involve pulling bullets, weighing powder, checking dimensions etc.

Possibly they can weigh loaded rounds only, given they already know the weight of the primer, case & bullet, the difference would be the powder weight.

I would expect they have the odd manufacturing mistake that involves pulling bullets, I expect they would reuse the case.
Maybe they don’t consider that “reloading”?

Either way what Wolf and Centaure make are Factory ammo.....it’s not bubba reloading for the cops in his basement...

 

[blasted_saber]

My grandfather told me 40-50 years ago he would spend the night shifts at the station loading 38 special for range use

Dunno about now

 

[dirtybarry]

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Back in revolver days, some departments certainly loaded/reloaded their own practice ammunition, and if enough brass was ordered it could be custom head-stamped.
Calgary was also loading/reloading for .40 S&W after the transition to Glocks in the early 1990s, but I don't know if that is still the case.

Jaw drops, heavy breathing begins... so...any idea how much brass we're talkin' here?

 

[dirtybarry]

My service and most others use reloads for all our pistol training and practice. On annual qualification we shoot of the old factory rounds which are carried and are replaced with new factory rounds. No service uses reloads for active duty.

This sounds perfectly logical and reasonable.

 

[VictoriousSecret]

Toronto police use Winchester .40 hollow point for "work" and Winchester white box for practice. I shoot with with my friend who is a Toronto police and he always brings "free" ammo with him.

 

[DaveF]

Jaw drops, heavy breathing begins... so...any idea how much brass we're talkin' here?

I seem to remember it was a minimum 10,000 piece order, but that was a long time ago.

 

[silverfoxdj]

My grandfather told me 40-50 years ago he would spend the night shifts at the station loading 38 special for range use

Dunno about now

Don't think they have the staff, equipment or commitment to do it today

 

[Zantarthewise]

Winnipeg police services reloads for range duty.

 

[mudgunner49]

The O.P.P. started using frangible ammunition about three years ago for practice and all duty ammo are new factory rounds.

It's been more than 3 years since they started using frangible, however that was only used when shooting steel targets (which have since been taken out of service) And not when shooting paper. Primarily due to expense and lack of accuracy past about 25m. Currently OPP uses Ranger SXT for duty ammo and Winchester FMJ ball amm of the same weight for training. Since they buy through the Ontario Police co-op at a price that woukd make you sick if you heard it, i dont see that changing after they change to Glocks in 9x19. Our local service shoots .45 M&P for their tactical team and they pay the same for FMJ and SXT...