Opinion on noveske? Where can I find one :)

hm? KAC SR15 is about 2800 if i remember correctly.. you must be looking at the Sr25. That one shoots 308. In a whole different league
 
Claven2 said:
I have to disagree. LMT and Noveske are up there with KAC. Stag and Colt are, in my opinion, about equivalent. Armalite is in the same ballpark as RRA or Bushmaster. Decent, but not a top tier AR15. Armalite does not even machine their own receivers any more - they are subcontracted to Aero Precision (who make good stuff, but you're not top tier if you don't make your own receivers).

Core = DPMS = Olympic Arms = Model One sales = Hesse Arms = "Questar Brand AR" = Norinco = bargain priced AR's targeted at entry level buyers.
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I disagreed with 99% of the above, except Model One and Hess.

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Richard Cranium said:
But if I'm browsing your website correclty, a KAC is twice that of the above noted Noveske which is apparently in the $3K range. Is this true?
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Yeah that was the .308 version, 223 models are just under 3k (before tax)

I'm a fan of one piece uppers and one piece lowers...

I'd like to see KAC design their own monolithic upper, I think that'd be the next one added to the list...
 
Farmboy said:
When I first started getting into this game I thought the same thing.

Until the day when we became the KAC distributor for Canada.

Then I got to touch and feel and use KAC products, and life has not been the same for me since.
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So, it became a spiritual, almost religous moment for you? Did you feel the earth move? :p
 
50calshooter said:
How so? Could you elaborate a bit more on this? Have you ever owned a Noveske rifle? Hard to believe anyone who's owned one could make such an ignorant statment...


Their top end models end up around 3k up here. So in that price point what else is out there that competes with it?

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Of course I'm bias here seeing as I just bought one, but the above is factual and not meant to come off as fanboy gossip.
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Did I slag the gun? No. Do you come off as a fanboi? YES.

Compare the US pricing. What do you think importation costs? Here's a hint, the more you import, the less that costs and it's nowhere near the difference in pricing. Remember the dealers are making loads of profit at the US price point as well ;)

As for comparable, how come an LMT costs so much less than Noveske? Just sayin'...

Noveske is charging KAC prices without the history of actually selling rifles to all the top SOCOM units (like KAC actually does).

I like Noveske guns, I can't say anything bad about them, but they should cost 25% less in Canada in this man's opinion.
 
greentips said:
I disagreed with 99% of the above, except Model One and Hess.

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These types of comparissons are highly subjective, as you know, but nevertheless, I'd be curious to hear how you feel the listed companies stack up in the AR15 department.

These are my personal opinions so I in no way make the claim that it's the final word on the issue, just my perceptions from my exposure to these makes.
 
Claven2 said:
Did I slag the gun? No. Do you come off as a fanboi? YES.

Yes you did slag the gun, saying it ain't worth the money for what you get is slagging it. Geez it's not an XCR... Again I find it funny that you can make that statement without having owned one...

Compare the US pricing. What do you think importation costs? Here's a hint, the more you import, the less that costs and it's nowhere near the difference in pricing. Remember the dealers are making loads of profit at the US price point as well ;)

The US price on my gun was about $2500, my cost ended up being about $3000. Questar imported it all on it's own, so what's your point?

As far as loads of profit, again you must be drunk, dealers are lucky to get 20 points on guns. 10-15% seems to be the norm. I know from actual experience.

As for comparable, how come an LMT costs so much less than Noveske? Just sayin'...

Noveske Barrels are a big factor in the price difference, but I'll go alittle further...

Here's my theory, LMT manufactures alot of it's own components. IE sights, uppers, gas blocks, LPK's etc. etc. Once you develop this in-house manufacturing process, costs on those parts dramatically drop. Producing a complete gun in-house can be very cost effective once the system is streamlined and initial overhead is paid off.

Noveske on the other hand, manufactures a few of their key components in-house. Then the rest of their parts come from existing manufactures, Troy, AAC, Vltor etc. At the end of the day buying wholesale parts (with Noveske logos) versus manufacturing them tends to up overall costs. (In the long Run)

I personally think that Noveske using brand name, proven, high end parts is a good thing. Troy iron sights, Vltor gas blocks, Vltor billet mono uppers, AAC or Smith FH's, Magpul furniture, etc. This adds some serious value to the rifle. These manufacturers don't build entire guns, they R&D and build quality components. That means every part of a Noveske rifle is quality.

Noveske is charging KAC prices without the history of actually selling rifles to all the top SOCOM units (like KAC actually does).

So you're saying that is the only driving factor in what constitutes a quality rifle nowadays? Quality of parts and materials, or even design has nothing to do with it? That's gotta be the worst argument I've ever heard on CGN. Quality is determined by who our guns are sold to... O'RLY

Noveske makes some of the best barrel's in the industry and they use the best parts available from some of the best manufacturers in the world. Doesn't that constitute quality? I won't even bother with their QC record.

I'm not trying to argue Noveske is better then KAC, that's as useless as arguing Benz vs BMW. Both have their strong suits. What I am arguing is your failure to understand the type of quality built into Noveske rifles. Quality costs money.

I like Noveske guns, I can't say anything bad about them, but they should cost 25% less in Canada in this man's opinion.

Mmmkay and I want blow jobs everynight from the wife.... Back up some of these ignorant statements with actual facts or reasons why...
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With the features and quality components the Noveske has, how can/should it be cheaper? I don't get your thought process on this.

Do you own any of the big three? Noveske, LMT, KAC?

I own two of those brands and both being their high end models. I'll reserve further judgement on the KAC until I get my hands on one.
 
50calshooter said:
With the features and quality components the Noveske has, how can/should it be cheaper? I don't get your thought process on this.

Do you own any of the big three? Noveske, LMT, KAC?

I own two of those brands and both being their high end models. I've reserved further judgement on the KAC until I get my hands on one.
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Oh you own them do you? Clearly you are an expert on cost wrt machining, materials science and riflesmithing. I stand corrected. :roll eyes:

Again: I am NOT slagging Noveske. They are a VERY nice AR15. For $2500 - not $3000.

Or let me put it this way, without drawing parallels on user perceptions of quality, NEA can manufacture more parts of an AR15 in-house the Noveske does, including polygonal rifled barrels as well as billet receivers, and sell it for $1000 Canadian. A Noveske does not have $2000 worth of added value in my opinion. $1500 more... maybe. Depends on what you value their brand-name components at.

No, I am not saying NEA is Noveske before you accuse me of that. I am merely saying Noveske is priced wrong for the Canadian market.
 
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Most people don't realize that Noveske guns are all barrel. Really nice barrels, but... The rest of the gun is just fairly (high) standard commercial parts.
 
Claven2 said:
Oh you own them do you? Clearly you are an expert on cost wrt machining, materials science and riflesmithing. I stand corrected. :roll eyes:

What? how'd you get that? I do however know the cost of all the Troy, AAC and Vltor parts in my rifle.

Again: I am NOT slagging Noveske. They are a VERY nice AR15. For $2500 - not $3000.

They are $2500 US, or less depending on model. You cant factor in what our Canadian market does to the price... This argument cant be used to draw conclusions on overall quality.... :confused:

Or let me put it this way, without drawing parallels on user perceptions of quality, NEA can manufacture more parts of an AR15 in-house then Noveske does, including billet receivers, and sell it for $1000 Canadian. A Noveske does not have $2000 worth of added value in my opinion. $1500 more... maybe. Depends on what you value their brand-name components at.

First of all Noveske's barrel manufacturing process goes well above and beyond what NEA does that is forsure. Second, add it up if you want, here I'll do it for you...

Vltor VIS Upper - $900
Troy Battle Sights - $250
Switchblock - $250
AAC FH - $150
Noveske Hammered CL Barrel - $500
Noveske Gen2 Lower - $350
LPK - $110
MOE Grip - $30
Vltor Buffer Tube - $50
Vltor Imod Stock - $125
Noveske QD End Plate $25
Buffer Spring - $15
Buffer H2 - $15
Gas Tube - $15
Barrel Nut - $5
Castle Nut - $5
BCG - $200
PMAG - $25

The math is rough and approximate but it still adds up, and I defiantly got my moneys worth even with our inflated Canadian pricing.

No, I am not saying NEA is Noveske before you accuse me of that. I am merely saying Noveske is priced wrong for the Canadian market.
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Again I still don't get how you can hold Noveske responsible for our Canadian inflation...
 
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CarbineOne said:
Most people don't realize that Noveske guns are all barrel. Really nice barrels, but... The rest of the gun is just fairly (high) standard commercial parts.
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Main Noveske Parts...
-BCG
-Lower
-Barrel
-Switchblock
-Free Float Rail
-OQ End Plate

(Info straight from Noveske)

Additional Major Components...

-Vltor Upper VIS or MUR
-Vltor Buffer Tube
-AAC or Smith FH
-Vltor Lo-Pro Gas Block
-Troy Sights
-Vltor CH

Again, companies like Vltor, Troy, AAC or Smith do not just make "standard" parts. These are all high end manufacturers who produce quality stuff.
 
Enjoy your Noveske. I liked the Noveske 16" I used to own. They are a fine rifle.

Remember that at $2500, Noveske is collecting 15%, the distributor is collecting 5-10% and the retailer is collecting 10-15% this is all part of the $2500 retail price stateside. Noveske does not pay retail for VLTOR, TROY or any other parts.

Canadian importers are pocketing that 25-35% profit margin normally reserved for distributors and retailers and then marking the gun up a further $500 because it's a Noveske and not many people are bringing them in. Believe me when I say they are NOT laying out $500 to import these per unit.

Again, I'm glad you are happy with your purchase - stop trying to paint me as someone who has a problem with the rifles themselves - I don't.

PS: Noveske does not make barrels - they machine quality blanks from another supplier. There are other AR mfgrs that use the same blanks and charge less for them... food for thought.
 
Claven2 said:
Enjoy your Noveske. I liked the Noveske 16" I used to own. They are a fine rifle.

Remember that at $2500, Noveske is collecting 15%, the distributor is collecting 5-10% and the retailer is collecting 10-15% this is all part of the $2500 retail price stateside. Noveske does not pay retail for VLTOR, TROY or any other parts.

Again, you're mis-informed. There is no distributor, Questar buys direct from Noveske. AND Noveske will sell directly to the public albeit the American public but the point is there is no distributor, no differant then LMT or KAC.

Also, I realize Noveske does not buy from Vltor or Troy at retail, that's why I used the term "wholesale" earlier. Still at "wholesale" that does, and will increase overall costs. The proof really is in the above price breakdown, if you dont want to use retail, then use wholesale either way it makes no difference to the end result.

Canadian importers are pocketing that 25-35% profit margin normally reserved for distributors and retailers and then marking the gun up a further $500 because it's a Noveske and not many people are bringing them in. Believe me when I say they are NOT laying out $500 to import these per unit.

Yes, I get what you're are saying, but what you are saying relates to all guns in Canada, not just Noveske, it also relates to LMT, Knights and the rest. Again, it has nothing to do with the level of quality. Yes the Noveske rifle is worth $2500 US, I paid 500 more, so what? Better then some of the inflation on some of the other rifles in Canada...

Again, I'm glad you are happy with your purchase - stop trying to paint me as someone who has a problem with the rifles themselves - I don't.

PS: Noveske does not make barrels - they machine quality blanks from another supplier. There are other AR mfgrs that use the same blanks and charge less for them... food for thought.

When did I say they did? You clearly have no idea of the Noveske barrel manufacturing process, read more then come back and we'll talk about it. There's a reason their barrels are some of the very best in the world, it's because of their own in-house processes.
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At first you were, "The Noveske is not worth the price for what you get" implying that it's quality does not match it's price.

Now, you are saying, "It's over priced based on how much Canadian distributors and retailers mark-them up"

Canadian gun prices are a problem for all guns in Canada not just Noveske, if this is what you meant by your original statment then fine, but you should've clarified that a little more. I only paid 500 over US retail, better then the 1000 plus on some of the other guns in Canada.

The point is, your gripe is with the Canadian/US import/export hassle and not the quality of Noveske.
 
I drive a Jeep... does that make me a second class citizen? lol...

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