Opinions on Best Big Bore Rifle

Big bore rifles generally thought to start at 40 caliber? https://www.ronspomeroutdoors.com/blog/why-big-bore-cartridges-are-not-that-popular

My .416's work reliably for me. Reasonably flat shooting. My .416 Bee with its excellent muzzle brake don't kick hard at all.

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Im sure glad that I don’t care one way or the other about semantics. WAY too convoluted to me. If someone wants to call my .500BPE a “small bore” for not meeting some arbitrary down range stat….OK. If someone wants to call their 6.5 creed a “big bore” for some reason……OK. Either way I just say OK. I do find it interesting how others justify their definition. Semantics are always a contentious topic regardless of the hobby. Ask a hot rodder what constitutes a “traditional” hot rod and watch the sparks fly. Entertaining to watch/ listen.
 
Im sure glad that I don’t care one way or the other about semantics. WAY too convoluted to me. If someone wants to call my .500BPE a “small bore” for not meeting some arbitrary down range stat….OK. If someone wants to call their 6.5 creed a “big bore” for some reason……OK. Either way I just say OK. I do find it interesting how others justify their definition. Semantics are always a contentious topic regardless of the hobby. Ask a hot rodder what constitutes a “traditional” hot rod and watch the sparks fly. Entertaining to watch/ listen.
You are not getting it... you are too tied up in breaking down the language rather than accepting a long held, common understanding of well used terminology. Nobody is being hard-headed or unreasonable, but there is an understanding of the general parameters of what constitutes a "big bore" rifle... luckily it is not too strictly defined or we would have nothing to talk about.
 
Im sure glad that I don’t care one way or the other about semantics. WAY too convoluted to me. If someone wants to call my .500BPE a “small bore” for not meeting some arbitrary down range stat….OK. If someone wants to call their 6.5 creed a “big bore” for some reason……OK. Either way I just say OK. I do find it interesting how others justify their definition. Semantics are always a contentious topic regardless of the hobby. Ask a hot rodder what constitutes a “traditional” hot rod and watch the sparks fly. Entertaining to watch/ listen.
Maybe ask a Hot Rodder what’s a Small block and what’s a Big block engine 🤷‍♂️😄 another World of “ what’s you think Willis “ 🤣
 
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I think the 416's are also just about perfect. As a Rigby owner I have to say the RemMag or Ruger makes the better case for putting up the same performance with less recoil and powder. The 458 WM makes the same argument for the 45's.
After shooting both the Rigby and the Remington 416s, I went with the 416 Taylor, as it can be built on a regular magnum bolt faced action (I built it on a LH Ruger M77), and gives similar performance to the Rigby/Rem 416s.
Brass can be made by necking up 338 Win Mag, or necking down 458 Win Mag, and then there is properly head stamped brass available from Quality Cartridge which I am using.
As I am be using it here in NA, I am sticking to the 350 gr bullets (TSX and A Frame) for now, but should I ever hunt DG in Africa, I will use 400 gr bullets. For now, I am keeping velocities to the mid-2400 fps range, and it is quite manageable for recoil.
 
Had a few Rigbys and a few Remingtons. Decided the Remington was the way to go. Rigbys go faster for sure and can be loaded to crazy performance. You are burning 20+ extra grains to go Remington speed and even more to go faster. Recoil gets bad. Back when I had my first Remington there was very little data available, I loaded 400s to 2500 and 300s to 2900 + going by pressure signs. Really, plenty for any requirement.
 
I like the long established formula for elephant stopping threshold.
Over .40
.300 or over sectional density
2150 fps
Steel jacketed solid

Over .40 because size matters.
.300 or higher SD to ensure penetration of that big noggin. That moves the weight around with caliber as it should. Cuts out the pistol weight bullets.
2150 fps because thats right around where the magic starts.
Steel jacketed solids. Before them there wasn’t a reliable frontal head shot bullet.
Energy usually ends up close to 5000 foot pounds.
Its not an accident that these closely mimic the 450 Nitro Express, but there’s other ways of getting there.
Karamojo Bell is looking down at you, shaking his head in utter disbelief and scorn.
In all seriousness I do chuckle at those who mandate the big bores as absolute necessities for African cats when 2 and 3x the size and equal or much more so dangerous coastal and arctic bears are routinely taken with simple 30 and 338 cal rifles. Not to mention the average hunters increased proficiency when using one. I strongly believe the old adage of placing the bullet properly being far more important than the size of the bore, weight/diameter of the bullet, etc.
 
You are not getting it... you are too tied up in breaking down the language rather than accepting a long held, common understanding of well used terminology. Nobody is being hard-headed or unreasonable, but there is an understanding of the general parameters of what constitutes a "big bore" rifle... luckily it is not too strictly defined or we would have nothing to talk about.
OK. If these thing matter to you that’s OK with me. I only participated a bit in the topic because I don’t see why anyone would care. Being one that doesn’t care one way or another I suspect that a buddys 7mm RUM has a lot not horse power that my .500BPE yet if he used a long enough bullet it would probably fit the “big bore” moniker and yet the .500 probably doesn’t. Anyways you will never convince me one way or another simply because I don’t care but I still enjoy hearing the opinions (I know you consider your stance as fact not opinion) of others and how they arrived at it.
 
Karamojo Bell is looking down at you, shaking his head in utter disbelief and scorn.
In all seriousness I do chuckle at those who mandate the big bores as absolute necessities for African cats when 2 and 3x the size and equal or much more so dangerous coastal and arctic bears are routinely taken with simple 30 and 338 cal rifles. Not to mention the average hunters increased proficiency when using one. I strongly believe the old adage of placing the bullet properly being far more important than the size of the bore, weight/diameter of the bullet, etc.
Many here seem to thing they need a cannon to take down a black bear LOL when in fact, anything that is sufficient for whitetail is fine for black bears IMO. However, I am of the opinion that you can never have too much gun but you can hsve too little regardless of the game.
 
Many here seem to thing they need a cannon to take down a black bear LOL when in fact, anything that is sufficient for whitetail is fine for black bears IMO. However, I am of the opinion that you can never have too much gun but you can hsve too little regardless of the game.
All true but I still believe where you hit them is more important than what you hit them with. Bad hit with a .338 is no compensation for well hit with a 6.5x55. Tons of NA animals, big and dangerous, killed with 06, 270, and 30/30 in the hands of experienced hunters the past 100 years proves it can be done handily when the shooter can hit where he's aiming. A large bore doesn't improve a poor shot.

Friend of mine guides in the Yukon and has killed 7 large grizz with his trusty .270 and 150 partions. Some while specifically hunting them and some because he was forced too. Only rifle he owns.
 
All true but I still believe where you hit them is more important than what you hit them with. Bad hit with a .338 is no compensation for well hit with a 6.5x55. Tons of NA animals, big and dangerous, killed with 06, 270, and 30/30 in the hands of experienced hunters the past 100 years proves it can be done handily when the shooter can hit where he's aiming. A large bore doesn't improve a poor shot.

Friend of mine guides in the Yukon and has killed 7 large grizz with his trusty .270 and 150 partions. Some while specifically hunting them and some because he was forced too. Only rifle he owns.
Absolutely. That is why I have hunted almost exclusively (except my first year hunting with a savage 99) and I rarely shoot over 100 yards and only once shot over 200 but it was special circumstances. I have always been of the kind that I would rather go home empty handed that lose a wounded animal. The kill is a distance second to the hint experience snd my best most memorable hunts I didnt pull the trigger and the single worst hunt was one where I shot a 38” ram.
 
Well it’s been proven that 223 Remington and 70gn tmk is all you need so it must be eligible for the DG/big bore tag!!
 
Yup, read the threads on big game with .22CF and you would swear some of those guys think they can shoot a whitetail in the brain box at 800 yards shooting through a tornado every time. 😁
And I’m sure they can. Plus every kill is a one shot deal and the animal never take an other steps… but again I’m sure it is how it is !!
 
People are conflating "Big Bore" and "Dangerous Game" cartridges here. Big bores are defined by bore diameter, DG cartridges are defined by a combination of minimum bore diameter, muzzle energy, section density etc.
Not really... the topic is not "big bores" it is "big bore rifles." (Cartridges). Sure, there is confusion until you circulate for some time in the circles where these rifles are used and discussed regularly... for all intents and purposes, "big bore rifles" and "dangerous game rifles" are terms used interchangeably and refer to the same thing. Discussing literal "big" bores is an entirely different, if somewhat, overlapping topic. You can crunch semantics to make it mean something else, but most understand this to be the case...
Back to discussing the margins, and arguing for your pet cartridge to be given the respect you feel it deserves.
 
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