Optics for service rifle?
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Well said... it's all about the shooter and not the hardware. Sometimes my wife accuses me of being dumb about things. Most of the time she is correct (read: YES, Dear!) but with the Service Rifle game, as much as people wanna think regarding the higher magnification scopes...They really are meaningless in matches 1 to 12. Fitness gets you higher scores, and there is no shortcut around fitness and superior training. The QM winners all know this.
Magnification > 4x is even more irrelevant with the new CFSAC Matches 1 to 4. I should know because I'm collecting the score cards; all the while inspecting V-Bull counts, addition, decimal points, signatures x 2. The fancy optics mean nothing in the new matches 1 to 4.
MORE Fitness and YOGA (that's for the matches with the new shooting positions in 2.1, and switching at 2.2 ) will be more useful for the matches 1 to 4
Okay back to the SR optics, buy what you can afford and what will work for your game!
Hope to see many of you out at the Spring SR matches....
Barney
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Put an offer out on an optic in the EE this afternoon. Appreciate the offer, but I need to hear back on it first.
Canadian eh!
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Well said... it's all about the shooter and not the hardware. Sometimes my wife accuses me of being dumb about things. Most of the time she is correct (read: YES, Dear!) but with the Service Rifle game, as much as people wanna think regarding the higher magnification scopes...They really are meaningless in matches 1 to 12. Fitness gets you higher scores, and there is no shortcut around fitness and superior training. The QM winners all know this.
Magnification > 4x is even more irrelevant with the new CFSAC Matches 1 to 4. I should know because I'm collecting the score cards; all the while inspecting V-Bull counts, addition, decimal points, signatures x 2. The fancy optics mean nothing in the new matches 1 to 4.
MORE Fitness and YOGA (that's for the matches with the new shooting positions in 2.1, and switching at 2.2 ) will be more useful for the matches 1 to 4
Okay back to the SR optics, buy what you can afford and what will work for your game!
Hope to see many of you out at the Spring SR matches....
Barney
Looking forward to getting out. I don't expect to do that well, but I have a great time at CQB and I expect at SR this year as well.
Looking at a 1-4x optic now, just going to focus on keeping things simple.
Cheers everybody!
Canadian eh!
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That is part of what makes the search tougher at a reasonable price point as it seems many,like trijicon, have capped unmarked turrets .
Got my eye on an interesting option, waiting to hear from the seller.
Wait till the shot show, there are a lot of new scopes coming out in different price ranges. Quite a few new options that offer features that are desirable for both CQB and longer distance deliberate shooting. Many have capped and uncapped turrets.
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Up to 300m only, then go triangle, 100m and under aim on the tip, 200 dead on and 300m on the base of the triangle.
Not sure this will be your best choice for service rifle (up to 500m) though as it does not have target turrets. If it did you could go German #4 instead. They have been rumoured for years to be putting target turrets on these...who knows maybe this years SHOT will be the announcement.
Not sure this will be your best choice for service rifle (up to 500m) though as it does not have target turrets. If it did you could go German #4 instead. They have been rumoured for years to be putting target turrets on these...who knows maybe this years SHOT will be the announcement.
Gunnerlove
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If I can hold a figure 12 at 300m using an Aimpoint you should be good to go.
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Thanks for everyones feedback, suggestions and ideas on this!!!! It is appreciated!
I finally decided to just take the plunge and in the spirit of using close to what our CF guys are using I ordered a new Elcan OS4X from Wolverine! I went with the crosshair reticle with Bullet Drop Compensation and as I will be shooting M855 green tip 62gr all season (or until I run out), this should be pretty close to the correct drops. I think this will do really well for me, it keeps it simple and it is Made In Canada!
Looking forward to getting out, getting some exercise and having some fun with all the ORA guys this summer!!
Cheers!!
I finally decided to just take the plunge and in the spirit of using close to what our CF guys are using I ordered a new Elcan OS4X from Wolverine! I went with the crosshair reticle with Bullet Drop Compensation and as I will be shooting M855 green tip 62gr all season (or until I run out
), this should be pretty close to the correct drops. I think this will do really well for me, it keeps it simple and it is Made In Canada!Looking forward to getting out, getting some exercise and having some fun with all the ORA guys this summer!!
Cheers!!
Mauser GDog
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I just remounted another one of these but haven't had a chance to zero it.
Same as tiriaq, my first one failed 50 rounds in. It was 7.62 not .223 that did it in, but Frontier Firearms replaced it no questions asked. Here's hoping it was a fluke. To be safe I have a backup rifle with irons, just in case.
Becasue SR is KD, it is easier to "win" with a scope so you can dial in all the correction. However, personally I think CFSAC should forbid the open gate method and dialing windage externally because line infantry does not have time to do all these stuff during advance and contact. Soldiers should practise aiming off and learning to use the bullet drop dial (and knowing its limitation) Leave the scope dialing to DMR when one day they come to existence.
Gunnerlove
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It is easy enough to give the C79 moa adjustments with the gate closed.
Oh boy. Yeah why allow people to learn any new stuff that may help them kill the enemy more effectively? No new positions. Only the ones in the Pam from 1965 or whenever it was written. We should go back to irons only and make every one shoot off their elbows too while we are at it.Make them stick to the science of Kentucky windage because its very easy to teach. All you have to teach them is to take a wild guess and hope its right. And yep the weapon is only effective to 300m too.
No offence boss but that is a terrible idea.
Changes in the way we shoot in combat come from competition and innovation during competition.
No offence boss but that is a terrible idea.
Changes in the way we shoot in combat come from competition and innovation during competition.
Agreed. That is actually one of the functions of the US Army Marksmanship Unit.
The same applies to this notion that scopes should be limited to 4x because CF scopes are 3.4x. It's basically the logic: "we're hobbled by this, therefore everyone else should also be." No, if it can be shown than higher magnification has advantages, then their choice of that should maybe be re-evaluated.
That is what drove the development of the "christmas tree" style reticles that are now becoming common in tactical scopes. Feedback from snipers and designated marksman in Iraq who where trying to use the mildot reticle in their scopes as bullet drop compensator reticles when they were trying to help defend sensitive areas against militants attacks (lots of snap targets). Zero stops there designed to allow you to crank down to the zero quickly, without overshooting it. Newer scopes are also incorporating a feature that locks the turret in the zero position.
This stuff is starting to find it's way onto scopes designed for service rifles. Leupold's 1-8x CQBSS has those features, including the H-58 reticle which is intended for that purpose.
