original nazi flag

I can't see a problem with owning a Nazi flag as a piece of history however, if you use it as a curtain in the front window of your basement suite? Ya, there I could see a problem.....
 
voere270 said:
What makes them more valuable is that quite a few of the collectibles were destroyed by people because of their hatred for the Nazis and what they did during the war.
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On that we disagree. There is an active market for Nazi articles both real and replica that exceeds those for other countries that participated in WWII. Why? Because neo-nazi s**tbags, racists, holocaust deniers, white-power fanatics and other low-lifes support the Ayran philosophy and believe Hitler's approach to dealing with ###s, Jews, gypsies and the disabled was right and just.

They can have their opinions and I'll have mine of them but what I won't do is associate with them or have my hobby become considered part of their sickening world view. If I go to a gun show and see a Nazi-marked Luger or Mauser it doesn't trouble me in the least. When I see a display selling Nazi flags, expended Zyklon B canisters, copies of Mein Kampf, and other Nazi trash it disgusts me that the worship of the Nazis somehow gets associated with gun owners.
 
Claybuster - how do you feel about those of us who collect Soviet/Communist militaria?. I have several Mosins, an SVT and a TT-33, am I a neo-commie or some other fanatic? hardly.

Im with everyone else, its the history itself, and in regards to owning a Nazi flag, I wouldnt fly it (obviously), but it would be neat to own a real piece of WWII history.
 
Claybuster said:
On that we disagree. There is an active market for Nazi articles both real and replica that exceeds those for other countries that participated in WWII. Why? Because neo-nazi s**tbags, racists, holocaust deniers, white-power fanatics and other low-lifes support the Ayran philosophy and believe Hitler's approach to dealing with ###s, Jews, gypsies and the disabled was right and just.

They can have their opinions and I'll have mine of them but what I won't do is associate with them or have my hobby become considered part of their sickening world view. If I go to a gun show and see a Nazi-marked Luger or Mauser it doesn't trouble me in the least. When I see a display selling Nazi flags, expended Zyklon B canisters, copies of Mein Kampf, and other Nazi trash it disgusts me that the worship of the Nazis somehow gets associated with gun owners.
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I couldn't agree more.
To make that flag valuable, there must be a whole mess of people out there that want it.
 
hogiron said:
I couldn't agree more.
To make that flag valuable, there must be a whole mess of people out there that want it.
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GUYS! They are valuable because they are rare. Everything rare is more expensive than the common items. As far as I can tell, US, Canadian and Union Jacks aren't too hard to come by and no one had to fight to get their hands on one. You are missing the point, I have a captured Luftwaffe insignia with a swastika that a Canadian solider took off a German POW's jacket. I think it's the neatest piece of history, I'd never throw it out or burn it. That would be an insult to the Canadian soldiers who took the trouble to bring these items back.
 
Wheee.... the cgn moral merry-go-round... I'm so glad I don't have any flags other than a Canadian one, otherwise I would obviously suscribe to all their political views and support all their actions as a country and political movement. NOT. Show me a country without moments of shame or a period that it's citizens would rather forget. By that logic I want no flags at all. If you own a flag, it's a piece of cloth, if you fly it or tattoo on your carcass, you make an entirely different statement. Let's not get all excited here, I don't think the OP is making a political statement.
 
Sure these things are legitimate collectables or keepsakes on their own. I have an Iron Cross, with swastika, and a P38 that my uncle brought back from Europe as war souvenirs. I think most can make the distinction between that an using a nazi flag to glorify the nazi era.

No names, no pack drill, but once upon a time I busted a small group of young Austrian troopies who, for whatever reason, had made up an enamelled badge with a swastika that they wore under their uniform lapels. I told their CO that I did'nt think that would quite fit with the current Austrian image. Things got changed right schnell.
 
The swastika was openly displayed by the Romans in wards and glyphs to block entrance to their homes by evil spirits. Very much like Canada's First Nations use Dream Catchers today was the swastika back then.

The nazi's borrowed the swastika symbol because it is a striking emblem which dates back to the days of the Caesars - an image they brought back in the 30's. It is now the ultimate symbol of evil - funny how context changes something.

I do not consider anyone that owns Nazi memorabilia to be a Nazi. That is a ludicrous statement. Never under estimate the stupidity of the average huiman being. I appreciate history regardless of what it used to represent. I never heard of anyone applying this context to Japan's Rising Sun or Britain's Union Jack (except perhaps a few Scottish relatives of mine :) ).
 
You can always try Wayne Cline out in Winnipeg - he owns Marway Militaria.
Very good man. He holds an auction every couple of months and you could always put it in that.
 
Riflechair said:
I do not consider anyone that owns Nazi memorabilia to be a Nazi. That is a ludicrous statement. Never under estimate the stupidity of the average huiman being. I appreciate history regardless of what it used to represent. I never heard of anyone applying this context to Japan's Rising Sun or Britain's Union Jack (except perhaps a few Scottish relatives of mine :) ).
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It's funny that you should mention that. Japan committed far greater atrocities (in magnitude and number) than Nazi Germany did (The Rape of Nanking anyone?). I own several books on Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan war crimes and the Japanese book is much bigger than the German one! I wonder why Nazi Germany takes all the heat and nations such as Japan and the Soviet Union under equally as terrible ass hats as Hitler get side noted.

As well, I also find it funny (not ha ha but disgusting) that you see clothes and shoes that are marketed for young children and young adults emblazoned with the Rising Sun. No different than having clothing with the NDSAP flag on it worn by 6 year olds. I wonder why it is that it is socially acceptable and expected to be gun shy of the Nazi Swastika but not the Rising Sun or Union Jack (which I have had Scottish friends call the Butcher's Apron by the way).
 
Claybuster said:
No doubt there's some neo-nazi racist s**tbag who will pay you big bucks for it.

He'll probably claim it was a piece of history. A piece of history he and his mouth-breathing friends would like to repeat.
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Claybuster said:
I believe it if you're a museum. But the demand for the flags and what makes them more valuable compared to other artifacts from the same era are the s**tbags who worship Hitler and want to go back to that era.

Yeah they're all just "collectors." :rolleyes:
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When I was a kid, there was an old couple that went to our church. They lived not too far away, so occasionaly our family would go over there.
The man had served in the British army and had been knighted for something (not sure what, but he was known as Sir Charles)

Among all the animal trophies (foot stools made from elephant feet!) he had, was some small Nazi flags captured from a german staff car belonging to some high rankiing nazi (long time ago, so I forget the important details).

So,....
Was (long since passed away) Sir Charles a:

Claybuster said:
neo-nazi racist s**tbag
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Claybuster said:
s**tbags who worship Hitler and want to go back to that era.
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Claybuster said:
"collectors." :rolleyes:
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or decorated war veteran (on the ALLIED SIDE)
 
would we be having this thread if the germans had won ?

at the very least things like this flag help preserve the memory of what happened and why things happened they way they did .

even now just look at the intense passionate response to something related to something that happened 70 + years ago .

the worst thing that can happen is the colective memory of what happened to disapear , only to have it happen again in the future .
 
burnt_servo said:
would we be having this thread if the germans had won ?

at the very least things like this flag help preserve the memory of what happened and why things happened they way they did .

the worst thing that can happen is the colective memory of what happened to disapear , only to have it happen again in the future .
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Fully agreed.

Having had a Korean War flag donated to a unit I was with years ago, I should note that old flags, being cloth, are very vulnerable to insects, mold, etc. Just sunlight can damage them.

Especially if something like this has provenance (a history, ie, of where it came from and who had it), most museums not only have the skilled staff to keep it from damage but will also provide a nice tax write-off certificate.

As an extension of that, most people think museums and history is all about generals. Ironically, while the thoughts and actions of most generals are pretty well documented, what archivists and historians love to get are things pertaining to the private soldier, which shed a different light on things.
 
IMHO Having a flag, folded in a box, because of it's collector's/sentimental value (or passed down through the family), is a bit different than flying the same flag.

We "gun nuts" get pissed when the antis label us because of the items we own. Why can we not understand this argument a bit easier.

If my Great Grandfather went to war with people he did not know. Bonded with them into the best of friends, then watched the majority of them die while capturing an occupied area (and the flag), and he so decided to take that flag as not only a trophy, but a token of what him and his dead colleagues have been through, I would have a little more respect for him than to get rid of it.

I mean, he fought against what that flag stood for more than anyone (likely) who could ever post in this forum, and yet, I'll bet you, that would be one of his most prized posessions. More tears, emotion, hardship, struggle tied to that flag, than any 3 divorces...... maybe.

The events depicted in this post are fictitious. Any similarity to any person living or dead is merely coincidental.

That being said, I can see the argument about the gun shows...... There is a guy at the local ones who seems pretty content to fly the flag. Of course he sells them, but is this a GUN SHOW or a History/Memorabilia Show?

Personally, I could do without the fakes.
 
History is always written all peachy for the winner.Two nuclear bombs dropped on civillian populated areas as an example to the people of Japan.Was and is a war crime.Telling everyone that it saved many Allied lives may help them sleep at night...........JMO....Harold
 
Noting to add. My comment is as valuable than yours comments, after all CANADA is a free
land. And i love CNG for this opportunity , averyone can tell is own opinion. I have been put
apart for a month on an American site just because i have signed that way: Le CANADA est un pays libre d'une mer a l'autre. I know you are more tolerents and do'nt be offended, a comment is a comment and i accept that will cause reactions and it's O.K. Discussion is closed.
Judes
 
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HOLY CRAP! A neo-nazi racist s**tbag! What are we to do?!

Oh, wait...
 
tootall said:
When I was a kid, there was an old couple that went to our church. They lived not too far away, so occasionaly our family would go over there.
The man had served in the British army and had been knighted for something (not sure what, but he was known as Sir Charles)

Among all the animal trophies (foot stools made from elephant feet!) he had, was some small Nazi flags captured from a german staff car belonging to some high rankiing nazi (long time ago, so I forget the important details).

So,....
Was (long since passed away) Sir Charles a:

or decorated war veteran (on the ALLIED SIDE)
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Keepsakes preserved by a man who was there and fought the Nazis are very different than the scum who 70 years later worship the Nazis and their philosophy, deny the holocaust and justify the extermination of millions in pursuit of pure Ayran blood.

It's one thing to retain Nazi memorabilia because you or a family member served and it was willed to you. It is quite another to have it because you feel a personal affinity to Hitler and worship his actions.

I too have known several people who retained Nazi momentos from the war because they were there. For some it was a reminder they were never without. It was a number tattooed on their arms.
 
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