On top of that, most of all the weapons were purposely destroyed. Misinformed rhetoric is pretty well expected and accepted around here though...
Over seventy-five thousand - 75,634 - AR-15s currently registered to individuals
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On top of that, most of all the weapons were purposely destroyed. Misinformed rhetoric is pretty well expected and accepted around here though...
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You figure they got them out after surrendering by shoving them up their asses? The receivers would have survived any fire. I have never seen any mention of the weapons not being destroyed.
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I am not offering theories as to how the firearms survived. I am simply stating that the ONLY evidence I've seen that indicates they were destroyed, is the unverified claims of the owners who had a strong incentive to lie. Having successfully used those firearms to defend their land, the reasons for wanting to preserve them should have been overwhelming.
I am not concerned about the lack of evidence to prove something didn't happen. This is a logical impossibility: You can't prove a negative. But you are convinced it did happen. Where is the proof? You've seen pictures of burnt receivers then? You've seen police reports of an investigation into the firearms that revealed that they were accounted for and destroyed as indicated? Seen police reports identifying the quantity and make model of the firearms? Did you witness the police conduct detailed search of large areas of land after the surrender? Vehicle searches of all protestors who weren't arrested? No chance the firearms couldn't have been handed off prior to surrender? That's all you got? Asses or nothing?
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In terms of when the Liberals plan to specify which semi-automatic weapons will be banned, Variyan wrote that a re-elected Liberal government would allow the “expert, non-partisan Canadian Firearms Program under the RCMP to determine classifications.”
-- September 25 2019, https://election.ctvnews.ca/truth-tracker-what-does-the-liberals-gun-ban-really-involve-1.4610395
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Cart before the horse. You can not claim that there are 250,000 or so firearms without already having the list of firearms to be banned. The RCMP currently determine classifications based on the rules set by parliament in the criminal code. By saying the RCMP can determine what SHOULD be prohibited, they are in effect allowing the RCMP to dictate what the criminal code should say.
Notwithstanding how patently unconstitutional it is to allow the police to be ones the to determine what is or is not safe to own, it is highly unlikely that the police will have sufficient data to suggest that the firearms that they want to ban are in fact an actual danger. If the RCMP are currently claiming that certain firearms need to be prohibited, it MUST be because of an existential public safety threat from that firearm, absent of the actions of the USER.
If they are claiming that every AR in the country is readily convertible to full auto, for example, then the RCMP have simply misapplied the rules for classification of the criminal code and case law as readily convertible to full auto should already deem that firearm prohibited.
In the past the RCMP have tried to claim that the prohibited firearms OICs are out of date, and need to be updated to correspond with parliament's intent to ban para-military firearms, then the RCMP are inventing a parliamentary justification for regulations that is not on the public record and then dictating that parliament follow it.
Given that no rationale was ever given for selection criteria to make any of the prohibited firearms lists, the RCMP can not claim that any such methodology has been failed to be re-applied to subsequently invented firearms. If the RCMP are now substituting their own rationale for what should and shouldn't be on the prohibited firearms lists, what should happen to firearms currently on that list that don't meet their definition? And shouldn't they publish the eligibility criteria for gun manufacturers to be aware of so they can avoid inadvertently inventing a firearm that the RCMP will just deem prohibited?
This definitely bolsters my theory that whatever the Liberals will do, it will be a mess.
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I have skimmed /read most of the posts here and cannot believe how many of you would gladly turn over a complete rifle. When there just about to boot my door in, the lower with the registration papers rolled and stuffed in the magwell will come hurtling out the top floor window.
Our club is exploring the idea of canceling all RCMP contracts for range use: practice, quailifiction, etc. We will work with local municipal law, but not Federal.
Our club is exploring the idea of canceling all RCMP contracts for range use: practice, quailifiction, etc. We will work with local municipal law, but not Federal.
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I can't believe how many people think they will be allowed to turn in a stripped lower when the firearm is registered as a whole rifle.
For the record I have no intent of handing over anything.
If every gun club in the country immediately refused to support LE training, the RCMP would probably need to build about 100 million dollars worth of infrastructure. IF the RCMP put officers on the road without meeting their obligations for annual requalification, they would probably find themselves facing another half billion dollar class action lawsuit from the union.
Would be nice if all of our clubs could afford to forgo the revenue for a year.
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I specifically states firearms still registered as a whole rifle. Sure some people may get in front of it and re-register before the ban, but most won't. And how many firearms do you think the CFO is going to allow people to re-register AFTER they are banned?
Oh yeah? What if the owner sold all the other parts of the rifle? Prove it lmfao. The only controlled part of that rifle is the lower there’s absolutely noting illegal about “selling off” everything else. Can’t hand in something you no longer have now can you?
In July we filed an Access to Information request with the RCMP, asking for the number of AR-15s registered to individuals. The number was 75,634 as of August 14, 2019.
There is an estimate of 5,000,000 AR-15s in the United States; a handful of which have been abused which speaks volumes
It is an open question if the above figure is corrected or deflated to make us look like fringe oddballs. To discriminate a minority like firearms owners the first thing these people do is minimize us, just like when they said the dysfunctional happily dead firearms registry would cost 50 million, only to find out the true cost was 2 billion which they hid in the system until it came to light and even the media went after the squandering of tax dollars with the ferocity of a two week rocket barrage in Ottawa. I have never seen such a media barrage. I just 2 billion hidden from the public tends to piss off even the media.To screw firearms owners and take our property they have to distort, cheat and lie
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It is an outright conservative lie that the non restricted registry cost two billion dollars. It was the creation of the entire Canadian Firearms Program that cost now 3 billion and counting. Registration of long guns was just a small part of the total program cost.
What if. I doubt many will. I suspect there will lots of people who have a whole gun in the cabinet when they get the knock on the door and and expect the police to patiently wait while they strip their receiver down. Ain't going to happen.
Sure if you strip it down in advance and dispose of the parts you haven't committed any crimes (as long as you reregister as a receiver only) and there will be little the police can do. But the majority of gun owners aren't going to do that. They will be caught completely unaware, and will be forced to surrender their whole firearms.
And who actually thinks the police will have the resources or the money to knock on every individuals door? They don’t do it now. I know of someone had had a license expired without their knowledge and they still had a handgun for multiple years. No knock on their door. Resources are already clearly low lol. Also to add you can remove the upper receiver in 15 seconds to be fair.
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If they have ever been together as rifles then you needed to report it. If you stripped them down again then you needed to report that to. There are many threads on this already so I am not going to explain it again. Ill see if I can find the link to the other thread for you.
