True but if it's a choice between one quality gun used for everything or two mediocre guns then it's better to buy one good one. For some years my only gun was a Beretta 682 that I used for everything. It was a bit of a beast to haul around grouse and pheasant hunting but I would rather have had it than two lesser quality guns.
over under shotgun for skeet and upland
- Thread starter volpe1
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The ideal gun for upland is not the ideal target gun for heavy usage, and 4 flats a month is heavy usage. Yes, spending more money to get into a reliable long term gun is worth it.
A Browning 20 gauge Citori Lightning would be a good upland gun, a tad heavy in my mind for upland use, durable and suitable for skeet but a bit light for heavy usage if you are at all recoil sensitive.
My Beretta 687 20 gauge is a lovely upland gun at 5 lbs. 15 oz. but light for serious target shooting. It is a fun gun for Sporting Clays shooting but I would think that if you really have a competitive streak you would be better served by a heavier Sporting Clays gun.
In summary, a great upland shotgun is fine for recreational level clay games but probably not for the serious competitor.
A Browning 20 gauge Citori Lightning would be a good upland gun, a tad heavy in my mind for upland use, durable and suitable for skeet but a bit light for heavy usage if you are at all recoil sensitive.
My Beretta 687 20 gauge is a lovely upland gun at 5 lbs. 15 oz. but light for serious target shooting. It is a fun gun for Sporting Clays shooting but I would think that if you really have a competitive streak you would be better served by a heavier Sporting Clays gun.
In summary, a great upland shotgun is fine for recreational level clay games but probably not for the serious competitor.
Ahsan Ahmed
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The heavier 12ga sporting model could serve adequately where field use may just be confined to shooting in a game preserve or short strolls along logging trails. However, should the intent be to walk longer distances in Grouse coverts then an additional light field model will be so much desirable. Usually, I walk aprox 15-18 kms (round trip) and carry a 20 or 28 with 10-12 shells max - still the overall weight of gun/gear/birds etc start to tell on you particularly during the trek back towards the vehicle.
Last year, a younger guy in his 40s, came along with us for the first time. I advised him to travel light and carry his 20. However, he chose to bring along a 12ga Rem 870 - his logic was that he needed to somehow quickly expend his stash of 12ga shells over the course of the season. His facial expression was quite amusing to note during the walk back.
Last year, a younger guy in his 40s, came along with us for the first time. I advised him to travel light and carry his 20. However, he chose to bring along a 12ga Rem 870 - his logic was that he needed to somehow quickly expend his stash of 12ga shells over the course of the season. His facial expression was quite amusing to note during the walk back.
1963beretta
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Hey, odd question for you.....were you just at TITS this weekend shooting skeet with a couple of jokers who refused to send out the correct clays for each other? If so, I was one of those guys! I was just out on Saturday with my buddy (VictoryXC on CGN) and we shot a couple rounds of skeet with a nice fellow shooting a camo a400. VictoryXC referred the guy to this forum when he asked about the guns we were shooting. Was that you by any chance?
yeah i really like shooting and i am only able to get out one day a week so i like to get all my shooting in but it has made a dent in my wallet so i may slow down. i have thought about getting 2 guns but i was leaning away from that for the reason as i dont upland hunt enough to have a designated gun for it but i do it enough that i prefer to have something lighter in the field. I am going to pick up a beretta silver pigeon 1 when i get the chance and maybe get a webley and scott for my range shooting as it is on sale for a reasonably good price at my local sporting good store.
thank you everyone for the responses and giving me some good advice. I think i will grow to enjoy this forum and hopefully gain access to the EE soon.
thank you everyone for the responses and giving me some good advice. I think i will grow to enjoy this forum and hopefully gain access to the EE soon.
1963beretta
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Vaughan, Ontario
Go figure!! Welcome aboard! If we can coordinate a time to head out to TITS again, you can try out the Browning Citori Inwas shooting on Saturday to see how you like it. Unfortunately I sold off all my Beretta over/unders so the only Beretta I can offer you to try out is a side by side.
Ahsan Ahmed
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Fit dependent of course, it would be a good idea to reverse the product selection based on actual utility i.e. for example, perhaps acquire the 686 SP 1 Sporting for dedicated clay shoots and something else (could be the W&S shotgun) for the field.
If memory serves, presently, the Webley double guns among their other firearm products are made in Turkey - initially they had the double guns coming out of Italy, not sure if some still are being manufactured at the Brescia plants. Just because something is coming out of Turkey may not always necessarily indicate an inferior product quality in comparison with the more prominent brands. However, the new W&S guns are still unproven in terms of sustained high volume use. Their premier sporting model may go the length but that still remains to be seen.
Having said that, I'm aware of a CZ Canvasback field model (sub $1K, Turk made O/U) that had logged at 32K rounds at clay the last time I checked Shotgun World forum.
1963beretta
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Vaughan, Ontario
One thing is would state which was mentioned earlier is that if a Browning fits you well, a Beretta likely wont. The opposite is also true. If you are wondering why this is suggested, its because Browning typically has a more significant drop in the stock then a Beretta typically does. I figured this out long after buying a bunch of Beretta's only to find out I should have invested in a bunch a Brownings instead.
well that is very good to know ive never heard that before. i have a friend who has the silver pigeon and i would love to shoot it like wise with the browning. i am probably going to TITS tomorrow now that i learned its opened on Wednesdays from 2:30 - 8
Welcome to CGN! As Beretta1963 mentioned, if we can coordinate a time to meet at TITS I have a handful of guns you can try including a 20ga Silver Pigeon. We'll get you shooting some skeet with a few side by sides as well. They can be great for upland.
that sounds like a great plan victoryXC. thank you guys for being willing to allow me to test out some of your guns that is amazing and if you would like to shout out some times you guys are available to go that would be much appreciated.
This is just my advice, and it may be unpopular...... Get your skeet gun first, then buy your upland gun second......
Skeet designed guns are heavier and typically have longer barrels...... But they make decent upland guns if you are willing to carry them for the purpose....
My upland gun has an aluminum receiver and weighs in at 6.5 pounds..... Has 26 inch barrels and is very pleasant to carry from dawn to dusk, always at the ready with a lunch break in between..... I am in the market for a skeet gun..... It will have longer barrels and will weigh more..... Likely a browning as they tend to fit me better than beretta......
Skeet designed guns are heavier and typically have longer barrels...... But they make decent upland guns if you are willing to carry them for the purpose....
My upland gun has an aluminum receiver and weighs in at 6.5 pounds..... Has 26 inch barrels and is very pleasant to carry from dawn to dusk, always at the ready with a lunch break in between..... I am in the market for a skeet gun..... It will have longer barrels and will weigh more..... Likely a browning as they tend to fit me better than beretta......
I think you should keep using your semi for Skeet and buy a 20g double for upland. You don't have to spend a fortune on a high end bird gun as you will carry it lots and shoot it very little. As already said above if you like the Beretta stock dimensions a Browning isn't for you. Even if you end up with a cheaper Turkish double gun there aren't enough game birds to wear it out. Your volume on the Skeet field will wear out a low end double pretty quick.
I don't always agree with the Browning-Beretta fit theme. I've shot a Beretta A400 semi on a couple of occasions, they fit me just fine. The newer Browning guns such as the 725 and Cynergy fit me like a glove. The down side to that is the 725 12 gauge is heavy, and the 20 gauge version, although a sweet gun, will cost you $3k after taxes.
My rabbit/grouse gun is a 20 ga CZ Bobwhite sxs. If it gets scratched or dropped it's not a big deal at less than $700 new.
Don't rule anything out til you've looked at it in person.
My rabbit/grouse gun is a 20 ga CZ Bobwhite sxs. If it gets scratched or dropped it's not a big deal at less than $700 new.
Don't rule anything out til you've looked at it in person.
yeah i was looking at a bakail at my local gun shop and thinking about what you guys are saying. if i have a designated over under for my small game and upland then it doesnt have to be the best of the best because the amount i will shoot with it. the bakail is a nice gun it comes in 20 and 12 gauge and is light for me to carry plus it has all the features of a higher end gun which is nice for the price of $599 on sale.
