P1 vs P38

Vom Kriege

Gefreiter,
To return to the subject of signature lines. Do you happen to know where I got "War is an act of force and to the application of that force there is no limit! So say the philosophers of war."?

Thought I answered on 2011-02-04, 10h50: Clausewitz, like you show in your quote. I objected to the label "philosopher". The name of the book is "Vom Kriege" (= "On war").

He worked on it between 1818 and 1830. And died the next year of cholera while on assignment as Chief of staff to Generalfeldmarschall Gneisenau in Prussia (re Polish revolt). It was his wife who collected his notes, finished the last two chapters and had the book published in 1832.

It's probably in the first chapter, at the end of section 3. I have a French version of the German text so the wording is slightly different from that of the English translator of your version. Something like: "We can therefore reformulate our proposition and say: war is a violence in action, and it's use is limited by nothing; each of the belligerents imposes his law on the other, from which derives an interaction that cannot avoid, by the very essence of war, to lead to extremes. We meet here the first interaction and the first extreme."

What did you think of our fascist friend Winston's infatuation for the Gröfaz?

(German soldiers' derogatory acronym for Größter Feldherr aller Zeiten, a title initially publicized by Nazi propaganda to refer to Adolf Hitler during the early war years; literally, the "Greatest Field Commander of all Time".)
 
Yes the thought was expressed by Clausewitz in "On War but the form I quoted is actually a line from the "Victory At Sea" series, episode18, "Two If By Sea: Peleliu and Angaur". That is from where the sentence, "So say the philosophers of war." comes.
 
Bushwacker or Y2K, could one of you post pics of the P1s from TradeEx. I ordered a M14 from him today and was eyeballing the P1s as well, its just the slides looked kind of funny in the Pictures on their site. They look parkerized against a shiny anodized alloy frame.:wave:

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The P1 is an excellent pistol. They don't like anything other than round-nose slugs, and they can't handle heavy or hot loads, but they work very well with the right ammo, and they have a natural point of aim.

Of the P1, your talking, is it?

Everything you wrote is false, except first sentence and last 7 words. I never has a failure to feed or failure to eject with anyone of my P.38 or P1, with any ammo, including the natural choice and best round for the 9mm: 115rg. JHP. I've clocked rounds fired from my P1 at 1315 fps, which is 21% more energy than the classic 365 ft-lbs given for the 9mm round i.e 1195 fps.

Consider going back to Texas Instrument or a simple Casio with +. -, x and divide...

As far as bullet shape goes I have to concur with UCSPanther, I had lots of feed problems with semi-wadcutter (Winclean) bullets in both my P1 and P38.
 
As far as bullet shape goes I have to concur with UCSPanther, I had lots of feed problems with semi-wad-cutter (Winclean) bullets in both my P1 and P38.

Touché! Never shot wad cutters or semi. I thought their only interest was for cutting sharply defined holes in paper targets, primarily with revolvers, if you're into competition, etc. I don't think this inadequacy can be held against the P.38/P1. It's pretty safe to say that it was never part of the design requirements.

I'm curious: are there any semi-auto pistol that reliably shoot WC or semi-WC? Then again, who needs reliability when shooting at a paper target, unless it's charging at you ... :p

Used to have a Ruger Mk II bull barrel for target practising. Got fed up with it's complexity of dismantlement once I became acquainted with the simplicity of the SIG P226 or the P.38. I eventually stumbled on a nice used Browning Medallist and did the exchange with no hesitation.

This is one aspect I don't recalled being mentioned: the P.30/P1 has only four separate parts when disassembling for cleaning, and that's including the magazine! Is there a pistol even simpler (except straight blow-backs)?
 
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I saw a Colt 1911 that had been worked on by a gunsmith for bullseye competition. It was chambered in 38 special and had the feed ramp adapted to shoot wadcutters. It also had an extended front sight by about two inches to improve sighting qualities. As far as ease of disassembly, the CZ75 pre-B I never should have sold had far less parts than the P1. The top cover, loaded chamber indicator and decocker add a layer of complexity. Certainly a lot simpler to remove the firing pin for instructional purposes. I do love my Medalist. Don't know if the later Brownings compare.
 
Touché! Never shot wad cutters or semi. I thought their only interest was for cutting sharply defined holes in paper targets, primarily with revolvers, if you're into competition, etc. I don't think this inadequacy can be held against the P.38/P1. It's pretty safe to say that it was never part of the design requirements.

I'm curious: are there any semi-auto pistol that reliably shoot WC or semi-WC? Then again, who needs reliability when shooting at a paper target, unless it's charging at you ... :p

Used to have a Ruger Mk II bull barrel for target practising. Got fed up with it's complexity of dismantlement once I became acquainted with the simplicity of the SIG P226 or the P.38. I eventually stumbled on a nice used Browning Medallist and did the exchange with no hesitation.

This is one aspect I don't recalled being mentioned: the P.30/P1 has only four separate parts when disassembling for cleaning, and that's including the magazine! It there a pistol even simpler (except straight blow-backs)?

S&W mod 52 designed for .38 WC. quite the target auto in its day, still much revered when i started shooting pistols 30 years ago. Not much there, these days though.:)
 
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I got my post war P1 this week. What a cool design. I love this thing! Mine is almost mint with a mirror bore, but it has a scratch on the slide on the plain side (right side), what can you do to touch up a parkerized part? Cold blue can blend in a scratch on a blued gun, is there something similar?
 
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