Pakistani No4 MK2

davemccarthy707 · Jan 29, 2013

I was thinking about picking up a 1960 POF from a cgn sponsor.
What can I expect from the rifle?
Will it be close to the quality of my 1943 Maltby? Better maybe?
Accuracy? Fit and finish?

Thanks!

Dave

Cdn303 · Jan 30, 2013

Fazakerley sold them all their No4 Mk2 tooling and guages back in the late 50's, so that should all be the same, but as for finish I don't know.

points · Jan 30, 2013

I have read that they are as good as the Brits. Skennerton states so in his work.

Jay · Jan 30, 2013

Which sponsor has them?

Cheers & Thanks
Jay

RangeRover · Jan 30, 2013

If it's the one I'm thinking of it's just one, but Jean at P&S has several. I just picked up a '59 POF from him.

plinker 777 · Jan 30, 2013

Any "mummy's" ? How much?

davemccarthy707 · Jan 30, 2013

Jay said:
Which sponsor has them?

Cheers & Thanks
Jay

Ellwood Epps.

bearhunter · Jan 31, 2013

plinker 777 said:
Any "mummy's" ? How much?

No mummies but the early ones were extremely clean to say the least.

The one I bought, right after he and Tradex first brought them in was 98% throughout.

One thing though, the bore in mine measures out at .310. It shoots .311 bullets very well. The rifle shoots better than I can hold it. It's smooth as glass and the stock is some of the straightest, darkest, heaviest Circassian Walnut Ive seen on any No4.

The Pakistanis didn't cut any corners or spare any expense to get them right the first time.

I'm really surprised those rifles are still available. They are jewels.

SKScanuck · Jan 31, 2013

I have not shot mine but the finish on the wood is a bit rough. The rest looks nice.

Jay · Jan 31, 2013

SKScanuck said:
I have not shot mine but the finish on the wood is a bit rough. The rest looks nice.

Can you post some pics? Very curious about these rifles!

Cheers & Thanks
Jay

desporterizer · Jan 31, 2013

They are very well made but have been through some trauma. Mine looked like it was dipped in linssed oil & left to dry. It took hours to get that stuff of the metal just so the bolt would cycle normaly & the stock needed a repair to tighten up one side of the draws. Shoots very well though. Be aware that should you decide to sell it you will lose your shirt. Rare varient but nobody seems to care.

plinker 777 · Jan 31, 2013

Any Bayos with these?

Riflechair · Jan 31, 2013

RangeRover · Feb 1, 2013

Nice to see RifleChair's example posted here. I had looked at those pics and his review in considering picking up a POF for myself. Plinker, P&S has year-dated POF No. 9
bayonets as well as rifles.

plinker 777 said:
Any Bayos with these?

desporterizer · Feb 1, 2013

Riflechair's former rifle is one of the better ones I have seen. I bought mine shortly after he posted his review.

bearhunter · Feb 1, 2013

desporterizer said:
Riflechair's former rifle is one of the better ones I have seen. I bought mine shortly after he posted his review.

The early ones that Tradex, P&S and others were selling, were much cleaner than Riflechair's example.

I suspect there aren't a lot of them left and what is left are likely the worst of the lot as far as furniture and finish go.

The internals are likely to be quite good.

desporterizer · Feb 1, 2013

Riflechair was one of the first ones purchased as was mine 2008. I have had that thing for five years, seems like yesterday.

RangeRover · Feb 1, 2013

The stock on the '59 POF I just got was grungy but I would say in some ways it is better than the one on RifleChair's, based on the photos. Mine is more worn mechanically though, and has a few more replacement parts on it. Still clearly very well made.

davemccarthy707 · Feb 1, 2013

The one I am looking at is actually in better external shape than what Riflechair started with and is listed as having a VERY GOOD bore. It's 359 +. What do you guys think?

bearhunter · Feb 1, 2013

davemccarthy707 said:
The one I am looking at is actually in better external shape than what Riflechair started with and is listed as having a VERY GOOD bore. It's 359 +. What do you guys think?

Quit procrastinating and buy it.

These things have likely seen some combat and are undiscovered jewels as far as Lee Enfields are concerned. Both Indian and Pakistani made Lee Enfields are as good as any out there. A lot of them have seen combat and the markings on their receivers and stocks are full of history.

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