PAL required to purchase reloading components?

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Hello Gents,
I was told that you dont need to produce your PAL when purchasing ammunition components. Is this factual? I was going to order some .224 dia bullets for my .223, but a Quebec based company, X-load, wants to see my PAL# in order to place a purchase. Seeing that Quebec is keeping their provincial registry, and I live in Alberta, why would I have to show them anything if it isn't required by federal law? I also understand that they do not have to sell me anything, but the question remains, is showing a PAL a requirement for ammo components?
 
More than likely required if paying by credit card as a way to try and not get ripped by by the rampant fraudulent credit card uses. It is nearly impossible for any merchant to get reimbursed if they ship and do not have a signed credit slip. I am seeing more and more merchants especially in the gun industry requiring a scan of your PAL if paying by credit card for online or phone orders.
Sad that the banks and government have spent the last 50 years luring us into card use and that the criminals have reaped billions from various scams that the banks have no way to protect the merchants from. All of the loss falls on the merchants shoulders.
To answer the direct question, NO you do not require a PAL to purchase reloading components.
 
I had wondered about this too... I have a friend who has no PAL who lives urban that could have brought me some powder, but didn't even ask thinking they would need a PAL. Sounds of camster kicking himself to be heard now.

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I seem to recall X-reload's site needing my PAL just to see powder... I happily obliged as they are a very good online source for stuff. I never realized scam CC online was a big deal, but do see a lic# associated reducing that.
 
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armoredtrooper said:
Hello Gents,
I was told that you dont need to produce your PAL when purchasing ammunition components. Is this factual? I was going to order some .224 dia bullets for my .223, but a Quebec based company, X-load, wants to see my PAL# in order to place a purchase. Seeing that Quebec is keeping their provincial registry, and I live in Alberta, why would I have to show them anything if it isn't required by federal law? I also understand that they do not have to sell me anything, but the question remains, is showing a PAL a requirement for ammo components?
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I wouldn't want to get banned...
 
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no-one special said:
More than likely required if paying by credit card as a way to try and not get ripped by by the rampant fraudulent credit card uses. It is nearly impossible for any merchant to get reimbursed if they ship and do not have a signed credit slip. I am seeing more and more merchants especially in the gun industry requiring a scan of your PAL if paying by credit card for online or phone orders.
Sad that the banks and government have spent the last 50 years luring us into card use and that the criminals have reaped billions from various scams that the banks have no way to protect the merchants from. All of the loss falls on the merchants shoulders.
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You've got it right on, no-one special.

freire said:
It's not just Quebec..... I recently bought a scope from a certain Alberta store and they asked me for my P.A.L also.
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We do the same now.
We got ripped off for 2 EXPENSIVE scopes last year - never found out the cards were stolen until 3 months after the shipment - got approvals when shipped, but the credit card company said "too bad."
Same dirtbags were back in December trying us on again. The PAL requirement saved our butt.
 
armoredtrooper said:
Hello Gents,
I was told that you dont need to produce your PAL when purchasing ammunition components. Is this factual? I was going to order some .224 dia bullets for my .223, but a Quebec based company, X-load, wants to see my PAL# in order to place a purchase. Seeing that Quebec is keeping their provincial registry, and I live in Alberta, why would I have to show them anything if it isn't required by federal law? I also understand that they do not have to sell me anything, but the question remains, is showing a PAL a requirement for ammo components?
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Legally not required. Expect more and more stores will ask for it when paying with a CC to avoid being ripped off. That has nothing to do with any registry or the province you live in, they do that to avoid being defrauded.
 
BattleRife said:
Some kind of identification is required to buy powder, with a PAL being the simplest, so many stores ask to see it. You can use a drivers license but they will have to record more info.
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This is what I ask for for when selling powder. A PAL id has the least amount of info on it & I can verify the info online.

According to Gov't regulations, a dealer must get some sort of Gov't issued photo ID to sell powder.

Regards, Henry
 
I have no issues providing X-Reload my PAL info.. I submitted it as part of my online account setup years ago and have been a happy customer ever since.

I've had a few other online firearms dealers ask for this information upon creation of an account as well.. never any issues.

Just my opinion of course.. I got rid of the tinfoil hat years ago.
 
Believe I've been asked for PAL at a few store fronts when buying powder, don't really care, they just look at it and hand back. Have only bought powder online from budget and Henry just replied as to his reason to ask for it. Again, doesn't bother me.

I thought, Guess I dont know the regs, that it was a requirement. Now I know but still won't change my mind on purchasing if asked for it.
 
I don't get why you guys are saying if a store asks for your PAL you won't shop there. My understanding is that they need to record who buys powder, and it's easiest if they ask for your PAL, get a number, build a customer profile, and sell it to you under that profile that now has your PAL info, so the next time they sell you a gun it'll also be faster.
 
Henry Nierychlo said:
This is what I ask for for when selling powder. A PAL id has the least amount of info on it & I can verify the info online.

According to Gov't regulations, a dealer must get some sort of Gov't issued photo ID to sell powder.

Regards, Henry
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^^^^ The bottom line for most resellers without going overboard
 
Henry Nierychlo said:
This is what I ask for for when selling powder. A PAL id has the least amount of info on it & I can verify the info online.

According to Gov't regulations, a dealer must get some sort of Gov't issued photo ID to sell powder.

Regards, Henry
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Is this true for primers as well? Both your store and X-reload ask for this info when purchasing primers.
 
Wholesale sports (rip) and cabelas always would ask for powder and primers, I hate Cabela's, when I buy powder locally usually go to p&d, ask for powder and pay for powder and that's it. Think it comes down to store policy and understand why chain stores do it, o like x reload, only need to spend alot of money when ordering because their shipping to Alberta seems excessive
 
Don't need PAL to purchase, but the seller does need to record physical address where the powder will be stored, or a gvt issued License # (like a PAL) so they can find the address that way. Ship-to address should be sufficient when placing an order
 
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