Para Ordnance New Rifle

I swear some of the guys on this forum would eat their own young.

What the direct system does allow for is a folding stock. No doubt George Wedge will provide technical details on the gun, it's pricing in Canada and it's restricted/non-restricted status. If there is no full auto option I don't see why it wouldn't be non-restricted. Just a semi-auto rifle with a gas piston - with a major cool factor. I think Para was smart not to produce yet another AR 15. Market is crowded now with various manufacturers making AR's.

Para reduced their pricing in Canada by 25% + 10% to their dealers this year in response to the rise in the Canadian dollar. If the dealers aren't passing it along it isn't Para's fault.

On the pistol side Para produces the Commander size which is about as small as we can go in Canada. The Tac Five in 9MM with a five inch barrel is IDPA legal for SSP (Makes weight and fits in the box).

Take Care

Bob
 
So...

It's not a gas piston. It is direct impingement, just like a regular AR.

The only difference is the recoil spring is wrapped around the gas tube, so the buffer tube is gone. Allows the use of a folding stock. THAT'S IT. I was at shot, got it right from the guy.

When I asked him how the recoil spring would maintain it's heat treatment in that kind of close proximity to the hot as hell gas tube, he said: "It's OK! It runs cool!"

Bull####!

Oh, yeah: I was at SHOT.
 
Bartledan

Thanks for the clarification. From your last comentI assume you shot the gun and know the spring will be effected by the heat thus making the gun inoperable. Clever guys at Para, producing a gun that will malfuction when you shoot it. Maybe the intend to sell it to the Taliban.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
Thanks for the clarification. From your last comentI assume you shot the gun and know the spring will be effected by the heat thus making the gun inoperable. Clever guys at Para, producing a gun that will malfuction when you shoot it. Maybe the intend to sell it to the Taliban.

Take Care

Bob
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Ummm, if the recoil spring IS wrapped around the gas tube, then it is a receipe for disaster.

The Soviets learned that with the DP28, and it has a piston.
 
Canadian Classification will be "Restricted" as it will be deemed to be a variant based on the simple fact that the gun uses a standard AR lower and it's the lower that is the firearm... doesn't really matter what they put on it as an upper.

Based on previous decisions (by CFC/RCMP) this would have to be classified as an AR Variant and therefore Restricted under the Firearms Act.

Mark
 
Sh!t Where You Eat

Brentn said:
defeats eugene stoners idea completley. Direct gas impingment was and is all about less parts in the rifle and a more directed movement of recoil straight to the rear.

Alot of people think that direct gas impingement is more accurate because of the fact that the piston disrupts barrel harmonics, but this is total BS. The bullet is defenitly beyond the muzzle of the barrel before the stroke of the piston has even started.

Interesting to note however, that competitive shooters, the good ones, generally favor the direct gas systems over piston stroke systems...

I prefer the direct gas because I think its a brilliant system. Way to many people whine about how it gets clogged so quickly, but I have gone to the range with 500-800 rounds in a row with oil or cleaning and no problems. I've also seen plenty of videos of people throwing their ar into sandy water, dust, etc and no problems. No problems that is, in a quality built rifle, the cheaper ones its hard to say.
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I have owned a old colt carbine for 30 years - the last 15 or 20 years I have only cleaned the barrel. When I feel guilty once a year or so I put some break free around the bolt. Never have had a stoppage ! :eek: AMAZING :D
 
Matt_P said:
isn't Para Ordnance based in Ontario?

We should get a deal on these badboys.
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Yeah, the rifle will no doubt cost less in Canada, as it is manufactured here and there are no import duties/paperwork costs to deal with.

Oh wait a second...we're talking about Para Ordnance, right???? If their other products are any indication, expect to pay at least 50% more than what the yanks are paying. Personally, even it was a quality product (which I highly doubt), I wouldn't support a company that gouges Canadian gun owners in such a shameless manner.
 
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capp325

Given Para just cut their Dealer pricing 35% to reflect higher Canadian dollar the only reason for the price differential is at the Dealer level. They can't control what the dealers charge or think they can get away with.

Not sure all their production is in Canada anymore. I hear a lot has gone to the US. Looks like they are just re-badging an established, albeit small companies product made in the U.S. Makes sense since most of their sales are south of the border and more time is spent nixing their products up here than praising them. OF course we Canadians know so much more about 1911's than Americans do. Hell all my Para does is go bang everytime I pull the trigger with intent just like my STI Trojan does. Colt Industires markets Para products because....

http://www.downrange.tv/show1/

Take Care

Bob
 
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Cap325

"I wouldn't support a company that gouges Canadian gun owners in such a shameless manner."

It isn't Para that is screwing you over it is the dealers. Para sells their guns to the distributer at the same price as the US distrubter gets them.

What benefit would Para have in gouging the Canadian consumer given we represent less than 10% of there sales. Oh I know they would do it so they can sell less guns and make less money, the mantra for every private company.:rolleyes:

Paranoia is OK if you really think everyone is out to get you.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
Given Para just cut their Dealer pricing 35% to reflect higher Canadian dollar the only reason for the price differential is at the Dealer level. They can't control what the dealers charge or think they can get away with.
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I find it difficult to believe that it's the dealers who are responsible for the price disparity. There are many Para dealers out there and they all compete with each other. If there was THAT much profit margin to play with, you'd be sure to see dealers engaging in price wars with each other (like you see in many other industries). Do you have any hard numbers by which to compare Para Ordnance dealer prices in Canada and the U.S.?

Canuck44 said:
Not sure all their production is in Canada anymore. I hear a lot has gone to the US.
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Para Ordnance has only one factory and it's located in Toronto. If you don't believe me, call them and ask: (416) 297-7855. Yet, it costs a lot less to buy a Para pistol in Oklahoma than it does in Ontario. When was the last time you bought an American-made gun that cost 40% less in Canada?
 
The prices blow and I guess we should feel privileged that they make a Commander sized unit. How about a Hawg with longer barrel. Frig, Glock subcompacts can be had with long barrels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Canuck44 said:
What the direct system does allow for is a folding stock.
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What do you mean by 'direct system' anyhow? Surely not direct impingement? If you mean a piston system, then a piston has nothing to do with a folding stock in itself. You get a folding stock on an AR by cutting off the rear half of the bolt carrier and changing the spring assembly. Sometimes you can wrap the spring around the piston though.


http://www.quarterbore.com/images/oa98_a_04.jpg
 
Deckard

Go back and read the thread. Appears the gun is made by another firm and branded by Para. Gun has the spring around the gas pipe. If it is out there one might assume it works,

Take Care

Bob
 
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