20 gauge shotshells are normally yellow, regardless of the manufacturer. The 12 gauge Challenger loads are blue.
Pardus Reviews?
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20 gauge shotshells are normally yellow, regardless of the manufacturer. The 12 gauge Challenger loads are blue.
My Challenger , Winchester, and Federal 20 gauge target loads are all yellow.
Maritime Storm
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Almost all ammo manufacturers use yellow for 20ga hulls, this was started to distinguish them for safety reasons.
You mentioned in the SL video that you expected the SL to balance a bit farther back closer to your hands and have a slimmer forend with the lack of return spring. Once you handled them side by side was there a noticeable difference when holding them?
Which did you prefer, the SL or SS?
gunsaholic
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In his words, what did he say was wrong with it?
He did you NO favours.
I handled and used my friend's Pardus O/U with wood stock.
For $400, this would make an excellent hunting gun, best deal I have ever seen for an over under.
I've got to agree with Ianis, For the money, the pardus is a hell of a deal assuming you go into it realising a few things.
-It's not a $1000+ gun and never will be
-It may have some issues out of the box, could be major, could be minor, but this is a risk regardless of the brand.
-parts may be an issue down the road (I'm not a high volume trap shooter, so this isn't as big of a risk personally)
For me it came down to a cheap semi 20ga that I can take hunting, carry more than shoot, and I don't mind if it gets scratched or falls, etc as long as it goes bang when I want it to, and so far is hasn't failed to deliver.
gunsaholic
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Thing is, someone's opinion of saying, "don't bother, they are crap" is a poor way to truly evaluate a gun brand. Chances are the guy that said that hasn't owned one, or doesn't like Turkish guns or is strictly a "B" gun fanatic, or is expecting $1500.00 plus quality from a sub $400.00 gun. Maybe time will prove the guns are no good but the statement made by the fellow without any "true" facts is meaningless in evaluating any gun brand.
Sorry have not been here much. I went in looking to buy two of them at the 50% off price. He said they were not available in the store as they were too crappy and they would not stock them. His words. Since they did not have them to look at I moved on. If they had one to look at I would probably have bought it @ $200 it is about the same price as a Norinco and has to be better quality. I just found it funny that a sales person would put down their own products.
Friend of mine bought the stainless O/U version about a month ago. We took it to the range to test it out before going shooting sporting clays and the first shot was a "click". Top barrel firing pin was drilled way off Center so the firing pin hit the edge of the primer. Also after shooting about 15 rounds out of the bottom barrel the filler between the barrels came out near the muzzle and left a huge gap between the barrels. It also didn't pattern very well (far right). He contacted WSS and they gave him the contact of Pardus's warranty gunsmith in BC. He sent the gun to him and within a couple days the smith called back and said it needed to be welded and re drilled and that he didn't want to do it himself. My friend requested a refund and WSS sent him a refund plus his shipping to the gunsmith.
In the end we got to see what the Pardus OU shotgun is all about and both the gunsmith and WSS were excellent to deal with (quick & fair). All this took place over a 7-10 day period. With his refund he ended up buying a Winchester 101 and he loves it.
In the end we got to see what the Pardus OU shotgun is all about and both the gunsmith and WSS were excellent to deal with (quick & fair). All this took place over a 7-10 day period. With his refund he ended up buying a Winchester 101 and he loves it.
I purchased the CS in carbon fibre look (Hydro-graphic) finish. Cleaned it up with G96 gun treatment and headed for a sporting clay shoot. First 100 targets shotgun worked flawlessly. Gave the mag tube and piston a quick wipe and another spray of G96 and headed out for another 100 targets with out and problems. At first I disliked the finish. Was too flashy or too much silver in teh pattern for my taste. I am now used to it and probably will just leave the finish as is as it seems like too much work or cost to refinish a $300 gun. I am more then pleased with it for the price point. Hopefully it hold together for me for a few years to come.
A co worker bought a SS model with telescopic stock. First round he fired and it did not eject. The bolt was locked up solid. He drove the trigger assembly pin out. When the trigger assembly came out there where broken pieces in the trigger assembly. with trigger assembly out. the bolt moved freely. Not sure of any other details then that
A co worker bought a SS model with telescopic stock. First round he fired and it did not eject. The bolt was locked up solid. He drove the trigger assembly pin out. When the trigger assembly came out there where broken pieces in the trigger assembly. with trigger assembly out. the bolt moved freely. Not sure of any other details then that
My 20 Ga. SL ran fine using challenger target loads the first 10 shots then it starting failing to eject or jamming up the next shell. I think a good cleaning of the chamber and lubing the action should fix this.
I also suspect that the challenger shells don't have enough power to overcome the cycling action. It is a new gun and probably just needs some breaking in.
I will try another brand of shells next time and see if it makes a difference.
I also suspect that the challenger shells don't have enough power to overcome the cycling action. It is a new gun and probably just needs some breaking in.
I will try another brand of shells next time and see if it makes a difference.
I had trouble with the challengers in my 20ga SL as well. Remington, federal and a few unmarked randoms cycled perfectly, but I would only get 1 out of every 4 or 5 challengers eject properly.
It's too bad I got a whole case of them to use up, but I may keep them in a separate pocket and always make sure they're shot 2 on doubles when I don't mind taking the time to pull the hull out by hand.
Mumbles Marble Mouth
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The Pardus S looks a lot like the TriStar Hunter EX. I've seen a lot of the TriStars at VGC with no complains from owners yet other than that they're too light for high round counts in a single session. The TriStar has an aluminum receiver which is why its so light. It will probably out last a Browning though.
Both are Turkish made guns.
Both are Turkish made guns.
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That is the kind of nonsense that people with no long term experience with trap and skeet guns spout. When you can confirm an Tristar with an alloy frame that still functions properly with over 100,000 rounds through it, let us know, I know of Citori trap/skeet guns with 200,000 and 300,000 rounds through them.
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