Parker hale m82-m87-C3-C3A1 Rifles

I had no intetion of drilling it. I did wonder about it though as I went to my CFAO that my buddy printed and it shows the drilled barrel in the C3A1 manual. Did the C3 have iron sights on it.
 
C3 had iron sights in the kit for "competition" shooting. Used the Parker Hale 5E with special bracket that mounted on the rear scope base....very slick. Front was their tunnel sight mounted on a very high block as shown in the diagram. The block was fixed to the barrel with 2 slotted screws and the sights were stored in the soft canvass scope case.

This infomation is clearly shown in National Defense Manual C-71.

Ron
 
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C3A1 did not have iron sights and was a scoped gun. However, the National Defense manual clearly shows 2 drilled and tapped holes at the muzzle end of the barrel althought there are plug screws in place.
If you have an original C3A1 barrel it should be marked "12" for the twist rate. I have not seen any D&T'd C3A1 barrels....doesn't mean that there's not a few out there.

Ron
 
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Carl:
If you know or have it handy, do you know what the C3A1 trigger pull was set at. I have the proper trigger and would like to know how to set it to C.F. specs.
Redman:
Do you have the parts #s or names of the parts. It would help us out in our builds if we know which part we are talking about. Also would help those looking for extra parts.
 
I do have an original C3A1 barrel and have seen 3 more and not one of them have any markings except a Crown with the letters BNP and some crossed swords.


Delta: The trigger pull is 3 1/2 lbs. What part names are you looking for I do have the whole user manual and repair manuals infront of me.
 
rgg_7 said:
C3A1 did not have iron sights and was a scoped gun. However, the National Defense manual clearly shows 2 drilled and tapped holes at the muzzle the end of the barrel althought there are plug screws in place.
If you have an original C3A1 barrel it should be marked "12" for the twist rate. I have not seen any D&T'd C3A1 barrels....doesn't mean that there's not a few out there.

Ron
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What you refer to as the National Defense Manual is actually called a CFTO:

Canadian Forces Technical Order

The C3A1 CFTO is: C-71-234-000/MA-000 - this is the first book

MA - Data summary
MB - Operating instructions
MD - Equipment description
MM - 1st line maintenance instructions
MN - 2nd/3rd line maintenance instructions
MX - Illistrated repair parts manual and scale
MY - Parts identification list

The C3A1 barrels never ever had front sight bracket holes drilled. The rifle was never ever designed with iron sights in mind - period! If you have a barrel with the holes, you have a C3 barrel. The above tech drawing is a mishmash of several diagrams. That is an M87 stock, iron sight C3 style barrel and a Canadian C3A1 action body.

I'll have to scan my C3A1 parts diagrams to give you the true parts look. I don't have a scanner so it might be a while. Maybe I can snap a picture of the page. It doesn't have the screw holes you refer to. Maybe you're looking at a C3 CFTO, which did have the bracket holes.

Also, here's a tidbit of info probably most people won't know unless they were a tech - there were 2 lengths of barrel available - 24 & 26" as well as 3 twist rates 1:10, 1:12, 1:14. This all depended on what nato stock # you used to order.

Don't ask me why it was like this - only the LCMM(Life cycle material manager) can answer that. Most techs I knew were not shooters or collector's either. I happen to be one of the exceptions within the trade.

The overall weight of the rifle with the scope was: 15.875 lbs - say 16 pounds for ease of remembering. The rifles weight is on par with what the M40A3 weighs(17 lbs).

I don't want to sound rude or come off as condesending, so please take this with the spirit with which it is intended;):D - but if you've never worked with this rifle and only have used a book to give an educated guess - please don't offer advice, because you'll only confuse people searching for the correct answers. I'm not the end all answerer to this rifle, I just happen to know what I know from years of using and maintaining this rifle!:D

All the best, Carl
 
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Whoa, Carl, didn't know the diagram was so off - Steve pointed it out to me and I figured it might be useful. I myself was even suspicous about the front sight... So only the action body (inc. trigger & bolt) are correct?

Tim, follow the link I put at the bottom of the diagram for more info, although I would suggest waiting for Carl's response to know which parts are specifically C3A1 weapon's tech "approved" lol
 
Redman:
Thank you for the link.
reneck74:
Thank you for the trigger pull information
Carl:
Looking forward to your C3A1 parts diagram.

One of the reasons i mentioned that we could use a parts # or name list is to help those of us with extra parts, and those that need parts have a reference to fall back on so we all know what we are talking about. It will also give us an idea as to what to look for at shows, meets ect.
Regards Tim
 
Carl:
I am looking for a spare clip for the C3A1 if you have a go to place let me know.

I have a scope i am going to use for now it is a USO SN-3 3.2x17x44 with the 34mm tube. I will use it on the C3A1 untill i save enough cash for a Unertl or MST-100. I will then use the SN-3 on my hunting rifle and part with a mk4 m3 3.5x10, all in due time.
 
Blackcloud said:
Check out VBull Precision. I think Ed has an MST-100 w/ rings sitting around. And the best part is that its already in Canada!
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Long gone to an american collector. Sold it last year, on SnipersHide.

I'm still trying to figure a way to digitize my cfto's for you guys. I still don't have my scanner.

I didn't forget about you guys.

Cheers, Carl
 
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I have a scope i am going to use for now it is a USO SN-3 3.2x17x44 with the 34mm tube. I will use it on the C3A1 untill i save enough cash for a Unertl or MST-100. I will then use the SN-3 on my hunting rifle and part with a mk4 m3 3.5x10, all in due time.
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Good choice of scope and a nice plan for switching it out for the real deal down the road... Is it mounted?? Pics please! :D
 
Redman:
It is not mounted as of yet, I am waiting on a set of bases [ 2 piece for now] I am having trouble finding a one piece base for the Parker Hale 1200 series rifles. Plus if it is a weaver style base i will have to open up the slots to accomodate the cross bar in the rings on the scope.
The USOptics SN3 with 1/10 mil turrets is built like a tank. Elevation knob is the EREK same as is on the MST-100 clarity is better than my Leopold MK4. That is something I did not think I would be saying.Focal plain moves with the magnification so you can Mil at any power.
 
delta1 said:
Just ordered a Near 25 MOA base for the PH.should be here early next week.
Thanks guys
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His bases are fantastic. I actually was the first one to get the PH base for the 1200. I had contacted Richard years ago and he said that he could make one. So I was the proud owner of his first one he ever produced.

Nice guy to deal with.

If you want to go C3A1 like, then Armalite produces a mount that goes on a picatinney rail. It kind of mimics the PH base, in the back end.

Mount # EX0022 - 30mm
Mount # EX0027 - 1"

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Cheers, Carl
 
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redman said:
Are there Canadian dealers for that mount? Believe it or not, optics mounts are also controlled like other gun parts in terms of coming accross the border :mad:
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Last I checked and bought within the last 3 months - these are not a controlled good by department of state. Brownells ships here no problem.

Wolverine is the Canadian dealer of Armalite - they can get the mount also. Those are direct part numbers that you can quote them.

Cheers, Carl
 
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