Part Two, Pick the best Civil War hand gun

Part two

  • Remington 44 cal

    Votes: 53 52.0%
  • Colt Army 44 cal

    Votes: 37 36.3%
  • Lamat 44cal, 9 shot with a shot gun barrel

    Votes: 19 18.6%
  • Colt Navt 36 cal

    Votes: 11 10.8%
  • Colt Walker 44 cal

    Votes: 11 10.8%

  • Total voters
    102
wasnt it Custer shot his own horse right from under himself while shooting his old open top colt while at a gallop the wedge started to fall out and as he went to push it back in he shot his own horse right in the back of its head :D

Nah ....I think the story goes that Custer's Remington's cylinder fell out when the loading lever popped down due to recoil and that tiny frail cylinder pin slid out and fell upon the ground "first shot missed due to poor sight profile" ....

his horse just died of embarrassment:D
 
He carried a scofield at the big horn

Great equipment cant make up for god complex;)

Custer for all his skill and knowledge got far too sure of his invincibility and got himself and his troops massacred for it.


Heroic-deathofCuster.jpg


Oddly in this "obviously accurate:p" picture it shows the dastardly injun armed with what looks like....yup you got it.....A open top colt

If thats the case, and somehow the villainous injuns were armed with the peerless open top and Winchesters..... Custer and his men had no chance with their closed top brick backs and single shot rifles:p


Kinda looks like Custer is holding a jammed up remington pocket pattern in this picture....
 
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boy these poll threads sure get side tracked easy... alot...

iirc according to the book"I Fought With Custer" he rode out packin a pair of bulldog type revolvers.
real good book written from first hand accounts of the last survivor of that failed mission.
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http://books.google.ca/books?id=DEsst434PdoC&printsec=frontcover&dq=I+fought+with+Custer&source=bl&ots=cLvBwSVFW5&sig=iVGLPgOss7tGXDDdMZpvfV8mxJs&hl=en&ei=07BhS-7WAo-k8AbO5OmlAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false

I don't think it was a "God complex" as much as he was a glory hound.
he didn't wait for the other wing of his force to arrive and send part of his command off on a scouting foray.
Being that only a small portion of the enemy encampment was visible until he actually tried to cross the river he had no idea what he faced until it was too late.
from the accounts I read it seems as if he wanted the victory and ensuing glory to himself.


and calling a Remington cylinder pin tiny and frail... :rolleyes:
 
boy these poll threads sure get side tracked easy... alot..

and calling a Remington cylinder pin tiny and frail... :rolleyes:

Ok maybe little and effete :D;)

The colts cylinder pin is massively thick in comparison,

and Just for the record the colts stout wedge cannot fall out if the wedge screw is in,

just like the Remington's cylinder pin wont fall out as long as the loading lever is up;)


Custer was a super trooper "any way you look at it" and was probably more then a match for most -ANY- 2 or 3 men,

thing is.....it went to his head, if he really thought about his position and his enemy he would never have made that fatal move.

Its kinda a good lesson in retrospect, pride before the fall.
 
still off topic

he was working under the misinformation that there would only be 800 hostiles in camp...
still,no excuse...
as to his revolvers-
this is from:

GUNS AT THE LITTLE BIGHORN

By Mark Gallear

Most sources claim that General Custer used a pair of Webley “British Bulldog” Revolvers at the Little Bighorn (see for instance John Walter “The Guns That Won The West.” 1999). This idea is probably based on a report given by Brigadier-General (then Major) E.S. Godfrey on January 16, 1896 (in Graham p345) that Custer carried “two Bulldog self-cocking, English, white-handled pistols, with a ring in the butt for a lanyard. The problem with this is that the Webley “British Bulldog” was not made until 1878. This was a short-barrelled and double-action revolver that was made in pocket and small belt-sized. The misidentification of guns is common in western history but there is usually some germ of truth in them. It may be that the gun was the earlier 1867 Webley R.I.C. Revolver No 1 (see Figure 4) that the later civilian “British Bulldog” was based upon. (It was called the R.I.C. because the Royal Irish Constabulary adopted it.) These guns typically had short barrels 3.5-4” were loaded via a loading gate and were double-action. It is unlikely that Custer had the latter No 2. Version, as this only came out in 1876. The Webley British Bulldog proved to be a popular gun and the name was later used to promote a number of cheap copies including some made in the US.

R.L. Wilson (The Peacemakers Arms And Adventure In the American West 1992) gives another possibility, he calls the Galand & Sommerville, a Webley-Galand & Sommerville and implies that two of these guns were carried by Custer at the Little Bighorn. These guns had nothing to do with P.Webley and Son and were produced by Braendlin & Sommerville of Birmingham. Galand was a Belgian gun-designer and Sommerville was his co-patentee for the case extracting system. As an English gun it would be quite possible for the gun to acquire the more famous Webley name on the Western frontier. As we know that Custer had been given one of these guns, he may have used it, liked the gun and so acquired another for service use.

Ryan’s (Graham 2000 p 346) description of Custer’s arms is that carried two pistols, “one a .45-caliber Colt, and the other a French Navy”. The Webley Bulldog was the subject of a cheap Belgian copy, so could be described as French. The Galand could also be described as French. Interestingly, the Webley and all its copies were made with a lanyard ring but the Galand & Sommerville never was. As the Webley was small, sized and gate loaded, there would be reason to carry two guns to offset its small size, but why bother to carry two large belt sized revolvers, when the Galand & Sommerville was sold on being quick to load?

where did you come up with Schofield TGC?
 
True this poll is a biy offtopic now, but its all good as we are still talking guns, besides, just need another 23 voters and i will do the last two, its a forgone conclusion on which two it will be; but there is still time for the LaMat to catch up, LOL. Wait for the cannon poll.
 
25 voters to go lol. hurry up and vote Lamat eh, knock that rem out, guess you know who i am going to vote for when its the final poll lol

here is a message for you two that fight over the rem andcotl, meet up some place with your rem and colt, than shoot the crap out of them and see which one fails first.
 
Jessie James must have known a great deal about contemporary revolvers and I hear he carried a pair of Navy Colt .36's. into civilian life. Was he wrong then??
 
Jessie James must have known a great deal about contemporary revolvers and I hear he carried a pair of Navy Colt .36's. into civilian life. Was he wrong then??

what he carried didn't make much difference in the end...

but it's personal preference...not all mechanics drive the same brand do they?

they know a great deal about contemporary vehicles...are they wrong?

and if they are...which ones?

:rolleyes:
 
All joking aside tho, It was widely speculated that Civil War soldiers of both sides would trade a "handful" of open top colts for a single remington for 3 reasons.

1 - solid frame was much stronger
2 - the cylinder could be swapped for a back up loaded cylinder in 5 seconds
3 - it could be carried with 6 loaded chambers because it was designed to rest the hammer between chambers.

The open top was an inferior design for battle and that is why Colt and everyone else adopted the solid frame design. The vote is for the best Civil war handgun not best looking and for me best = strongest.
 
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