Pavehammer's Kaboom

Out of curiosity, if someone blew a piece to smithereens I assume they would have to inform/report it to the CFC?
 
YEah must be Squib days. I have had multiple ones in my HK on the last two range sessions. This with Federal Factory loaded 147s. The rifling is so tight you cant knock them out. You have to drill the rounds out. I have heard that apparently the HK barrel on the USP is designed that you can actually shoot a squib out without bursting it, although you might swell it slightly. I didnt want to try it out though, as they arent that cheap. Other than the thing being lodged in the barrel a few times, and getting it drilled out, the most damage was the gas flare up on the mag edges..alittle bit burnt.

Dude its good news that you have all body parts still attached. Look at as a fuked up opportunity to buy a new gun and try a different brand.

On the Federals I took the whole case back, as it was all the same lot number...
 
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:eek: wow...i would contact the manufacturer also!


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YEah must be Squib days. I have had multiple ones in my HK on the last two range sessions. This with Federal Factory loaded 147s. The rifling is so tight you cannon knock them out. You have to drill the rounds out. I have heard that apparently the HK barrel on the USP is designed that you can actually shoot a squib out without bursting it, although you might swell it slightly. I didnt want to try it out though, as they arent that cheap. Other than the thing being lodged in the barrel a few times, and getting it drilled out, the most damage was the gas flare up on the mag edges..alittle bit burnt.

Dude its good news that you have all body parts still attached. Look at as a fuked up opportunity to buy a new gun and try a different brand.

On the Federals I took the whole case back, as it was all the same lot number...
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yeah, Its frustrating because they are not easy to remove, both times with different gunsmiths took about 20mins to take out...that was after they both damaged their brass rods and gave up with the hammers...then went to the drills.

ITs a fairly recognizeable sound... sounds alot like a high powered gas leak...
 
In my opinion, that barrel is very suspect. Is it stainless? I had an ithica ww2 1911 that was fired with a bullet lodged in the barrel, and the gun did not blow up. The slide stop broke, and there was a slight bulge in the barrel, can't remember what the bulge measured, but it was noticable by feel.

I replaced the slide stop and every thing worked fine. I am almost sure a Norinco 1911 would not grenade like this springfield did.
 
Guys, trying to make comparisons between one KB and another is not particularly usefull. Since there are many variables we don't know about it is pretty difficult to make general comparisons. The type of bullet, pressure of load, strength of brass case, chamber dimensions, barrel diameter all play a role in determining wether a barrel will swell slightly or burst. In this instance the barrel obviously failed, but it appears that the gun is salvageable, and the shooter safe. So what difference would there have been if a Norinco barrel only swelled? It would still need to be replaced. I also doubt that it would have faired better under these circumstances.
 
I don't doubt that a Norinco would fare better, I have worked on at least a dozen, and they are the only 1911 out their that always needs carbide cutters for milling . This includes Kimbers, Colts, Springfields...

My Ithica was a ww2 softy, and held together. No ,I don't sell Norinco's or Springfields, I actually think Springfields are very good guns, better value's than Kimbers for sure.

Also, I didn't replace the barrel on the Ithica, as far as I know it still shoots 500 rds a year or so, up on North Vancouver island.
 
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Where the squib ends up also plays a factor.. As will where in the cycle the gun was will affect how much damage can occur..

And how the shot happened to have fired... IE did the bullet get pushed back (extra pressure)

I dug around my 1911 parts bin in found a Colt barrel, spring, plunger and spring cup it'll go out tomorrow... Hopefully it will get him shooting again soon....
 
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I don't doubt that a Norinco would fare better, I have worked on at least a dozen, and they are the only 1911 out their that always needs carbide cutters for milling . This includes Kimbers, Colts, Springfields...

My Ithica was a ww2 softy, and held together. No ,I don't sell Norinco's or Springfields, I actually think Springfields are very good guns, better value's than Kimbers for sure.

Also, I didn't replace the barrel on the Ithica, as far as I know it still shoots 500 rds a year or so, up on North Vancouver island.
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Well sometimes harder steel cracks more readily. So once again, unless you want to replicate pavehammers experience for us, ther eis really no comparison to be made.
 
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I replaced the slide stop and every thing worked fine. I am almost sure a Norinco 1911 would not grenade like this springfield did.
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Right, because as everyone knows, Norincos are made from unobtanium and are indestructible unlike those crappy American guns :rolleyes:
 
Hey Pavehamer did you get the frame mag tested (magnaflux) yet?

If not, let me know, I can hook you up. I'm certified MPI Level II CGSB. The frame is carbon steel right?
 
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Nats,

That it is. I think we can get it done locally, if I'm not mistaken. If not, I'll shoot you a PM.

My SureFire X200B arrived today, and it makes me wonder how it would've faired with the shock, had it been on the pistol at the time. I mean, the dustcover is fine, so it would've probably been fine, but who knows?

And the search for a new pistol to replace my Glock has begun!
 
I'd also like to thank Bear.23 for his amazing contribution to getting my pistol back up and running. Bear, you're the reason that CGN is what it is: amazing.

Now if only TSE would donate a TRP Operator to replace my Milspec... ;)
 
FYI all:

In the recent tests by homeland security for a new duty pistol, they forced a bullet into the barrel just ahead of the chamber and then chambered a live round and fired, then did it again with the bullet forced down almost to the muzzle. The HK USP and Sig 226 are the only two that survived the tests. I think the Sig won the contract because they were ultaimtely cheaper.... I mean, who would choose a SIG over an HK all else being equal? ;)

Glad to hear you guys are okay.
 
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