paying for access to land

Maybe some should take up a less expensive or less involved hobby , like say , juicing kelp, if you cannot afford land, hunt on crown, simple.

I look at it like this, do you ask someone in the city to run through their lawn sprinkler or use their BBQ or harvest their potatoes?

No, this is the same thing, if you can't afford to buy the land, go hunt crown, life isn't fair , put on the big boy pants and get used to it.

You get tired of people borrowing and wanting to use your items and possessions to make their lives easier.I worked extra hours to buy that snow blower, quad, tool, etc............ go get your own.This all goes back to an entitled society , there is a real problem with people imposing on others to use their land or resources in my eyes, family and friends, okay but no general stranger should roll up on anyone or their property and start trying to negotiate use.

Post a sign that says you can pay for access if it were legal and go hard but then you are giving up the exclusivity of having your own property.

Want everybody to have access to everything of everyone else , go join a colony.

You have to pay to play and not everybody can or is allowed on the executive golf course.
 
At one time it was customary around here that the landowner got the heart and the liver of game taken on their land.
 
Dogleg said:
I used to joke that I could have bought everyone in my family a Ferrari for what my hunting land cost. Then I added it up; and it turned out to be true. Then it wasn’t funny anymore.:( Paying for access is a bargain compared to buying it, and then paying taxes on it forever. Access has value, which is proven by the fact that people want it. Some rent it, some buy it, some trade for it, some beg for it and some try to steal it.
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The above is so true it has to be repeated...I tell the wife often if it were not for all the land we could have bought a turbine otter years ago and been money ahead...Last years property taxes were over 12K...Excavator rental for keeping the beavers at bay run into the thousands every year not to mention the blood, sweat, tears and diesel that have been shed...Most have no clue what goes into it...Basically with the way taxes have gone up I am paying rent just to keep my land...I have never had a no trespassing sign on any of my land but when I catch trespassers they sure find out how I feel about it.

It basically boils down to the fact that the land owners are paying most of the expenses and tending to the game so the non land owners have nice roads to drive on and fill their tags with game that has been fattened up on our fields.
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
If they want to grant access that's fine, to close family or friends but in the end it if you are a nobody asking for access, take a walk.

How many times have people said , yes, sure, go ahead only to find their land and property destroyed or said "individual" is bringing their buddies to hunt this awesome spot and it is suddenly over run.

Paying is a good way to keep people responsible and the dead beats out, to a point but every little bit helps.
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The best answer from landowners that everyone who is asking permission to hunt understands is "Sorry,but,our family hunts here exclusively",especially,in Ontario where private land in the south is the norm.
 
Dogleg said:
Exactly. What's the difference from a moral standpoint between offering to pay or to barter? Ironically; from a legal point of view in my province they are both the same and both illegal for the purposes of hunting.
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I understood your point, my objection was to the words "scheming" and "begging."
 
Trimmer 905 said:
The best answer from landowners that everyone who is asking permission to hunt understands is "Sorry,but,our family hunts here exclusively",especially,in Ontario where private land in the south is the norm.
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Yup. And more often then not, its not true. But I think its unfortunate that a landowner feels the need to have to come up with an excuse when they really don't need to. If they dont want anyone to hunt their property, all they should be compelled to say is no.

But as a landowner, one should be cautious in saying “sure, its going to cost you”. Not that they shouldn't have the right to say that....more so because you have no clue what kind of people you’re giving access to and many times, the money isn't even worth accepting from such characters. I dont believe asking for money is a replacement for proper screening of individuals
 
1963beretta said:
Yup. And more often then not, its not true. But I think its unfortunate that a landowner feels the need to have to come up with an excuse when they really don't need to. If they dont want anyone to hunt their property, all they should be compelled to say is no.

But as a landowner, one should be cautious in saying “sure, its going to cost you”. Not that they shouldn't have the right to say that....more so because you have no clue what kind of people you’re giving access to and many times, the money isn't even worth accepting from such characters. I dont believe asking for money is a replacement for proper screening of individuals
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There's truth to this,too. My Grandpa used to say "If you don't want people hunting in your back yard,why would you let them hunt in your back 40?"
 
When i used to have authority over who hunts my inlaws 300 acres, i always had interested people come out off season. Be it for cutting firewood or farm chores or just hanging out with the other guys in the hunting group.
 
Dogleg said:
I get a laugh out of people that condemn charging/paying for access with one breath while discussing their swap labour scheme; connections, friendships of convenience and door to door begging with the next.
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You can do whatever you want with your land. Thank God that 99% of Alberta and Saskatchewan landowners are not like you. Put your money where your mouth is, invest into Ontario and Quebec land and profit until your content.
 
track said:
You can do whatever you want with your land. Thank God that 99% of Alberta and Saskatchewan landowners are not like you. Put your money where your mouth is, invest into Ontario and Quebec land and profit until your content.
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I’m not interested in profiting from the hunting aspect of my land, at the present time. I do resent the law that says I can’t. If anything; my interest is from the opposite angle, I’d rather pay my way than ask for something for nothing. I don't care if they list it on Kijiji, nobody is going to slam a door in your face for making an offer.

Given that I like paying my own way, I've already put my money where my mouth is by buying hunting land. Do you want to put your's where your mouth is by buying it and giving it away to the first stranger that knocks on your door?
 
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My family asks that I hunt their farm, so that other hunters see my truck/atv and activity around deer season. Many farmers are hesitant to have total strangers hunting on their land, but most have no concerns, or even enjoy, having people they know and trust hunting their land.

I purchased my own hunting/recreational property, but I also hunt 3 other farms, with my son, besides my extended family's farm property. I don't pay directly for access, but I do invest. We have developed relationships that are beneficial to the landowners with "in kind" assistance.

For example, beaver removal can be a rather enjoyable activity when the right ingredients are used. Open the dam with a bang, then wait for the repair crews with the 22WMR. Conibears in the winter for any leftovers. The next spring, the drains are flowing and everyone is happy.
 
Dogleg said:
I’m not interested in profiting from the hunting aspect of my land, at the present time. I do resent the law that says I can’t. If anything; my interest is from the opposite angle, I’d rather pay my way than ask for something for nothing. I don't care if they list it on Kijiji, nobody is going to slam a door in your face for making an offer.

Given that I like paying my own way, I've already put my money where my mouth is by buying hunting land. Do you want to put your's where your mouth is by buying it and giving it away to the first stranger that knocks on your door?
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You bought your land with the intentions of hunting it, but people own land for various reasons, often hunting is not in their equation... and often they don't mind seeing hunters use the land... these scenarios can be good partnerships... with respectful useage, nobody is feeling like they are grovelling or being taken advantage of.
 
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AB hunter here... Ive seen a few land owners that have started charging. Whether right or wrong... well... thats up to you to decide.
 
hoytcanon said:
You bought your land with the intentions of hunting it, but people own land for various reasons, often hunting is not in their equation... and often they don't mind seeing hunters use the land... these scenarios can be good partnerships... with respectful useage, nobody is feeling like they are grovelling or being taken advantage of.
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I've got crop land that I don't care about one way or the other and there are others that feel that way about some or all of theirs. That's fine; it's theirs to feel however they want about.

When people knock on a long series of stranger's doors they are putting some of those same people through a lot of stress to do something they would rather not. The odd one doesn't care. Having spent time on both sides of the door I can say that there are few happy people at that event.
 
yomomma said:
Or...do like i did...im paying to access land but its in the form of a mortgage for 25 acres
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Beat me too..i pay to hunt that land bi-monthly, it seems quite natural that people who don't own the land would have to do the same? Or at the very least, that the land owner would have the right to choose whether to charge or allow free access.

The owner certainly 'pays for access'.
 
Dogleg said:
I’m not interested in profiting from the hunting aspect of my land, at the present time. I do resent the law that says I can’t. If anything; my interest is from the opposite angle, I’d rather pay my way than ask for something for nothing. I don't care if they list it on Kijiji, nobody is going to slam a door in your face for making an offer.

Given that I like paying my own way, I've already put my money where my mouth is by buying hunting land. Do you want to put your's where your mouth is by buying it and giving it away to the first stranger that knocks on your door?
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I had given you logic advice, invest in Ontario and Quebec, moreover, the USA. There you can make lots of money to pay-down your land mortgage . It would be "absurd" for me to purchase land to hunt on. Last autumn I hunted my mule deer buck on 1.5 townships of land. The landowner refused a gift from me, he only request that I shoot 10 deer, well of course that didn't occur.
Other places in Alberta, I have permission to hunt a multitude of townships of private land, so why would I purchase land to hunt on? Saskatchewan, in Zone 9 I had 3 townships of private land to hunt. In a northern zone I have the same amount of private land to hunt, so why would I purchase land to hunt? Alberta and Saskatchewan landowners are awesome, at least 99% of them that I have met.
 
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