paying for access to land

track said:
I had given you logic advice, invest in Ontario and Quebec, moreover, the USA. There you can make lots of money to pay-down your land mortgage . It would be "absurd" for me to purchase land to hunt on. Last autumn I hunted my mule deer buck on 1.5 townships of land. The landowner refused a gift from me, he only request that I shoot 10 deer, well of course that didn't occur.
Other places in Alberta, I have permission to hunt a multitude of townships of private land, so why would I purchase land to hunt on? Saskatchewan, in Zone 9 I had 3 townships of private land to hunt. In a northern zone I have the same amount of private land to hunt, so why would I purchase land to hunt? Alberta and Saskatchewan landowners are awesome, at least 99% of them that I have met.
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Logic tells me that you are scared ####less that your free ride might end. I don't want a free ride; and believe in the right of landowners to charge, not charge, prohibit or encourage hunting as they see fit. Hunters of course would be still free to take it or leave it; or hunt on the Crown.
 
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Dogleg said:
... and believe in the right of landowners to charge, not charge, prohibit or encourage hunting as they see fit.
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I agree with all of that...

But when one of those options is to grant free access, I don't get why to do so can only be achieved through "scheming" or "grovelling?"
 
As long as I can remember the old "tips" sections of hunting regs and other sportsman's reads advocated sharing game, closing gates, offering to help do odd work and chores as a way to obtain permission to hunt private land. I have some access to farm land in Manitoba to hunt ducks. Offers of game have been turned down as most farm folk don't have a clue how to cook it and can't be bothered with it. As for helping out around the place the fellow who allows me access to his farms says he doesn't want any liability issues if I was injured while in a sense working for him. He is just happy to let me hunt the property. I do buy a gift certificate at the local diner for him and mail a Christmas card. Once you have permission courtesy is appreciated i.e.: closing a gate etc. I feel the old tips have fallen into the days of the past when everything (including access to land) was simpler. As for pay to trespass my recent experiences in South Dakota indicate that private land hunting access will soon be the domain of those with lots of cash. 250.00 to 300.00 a day per man to hunt farm land was not uncommon. On these places I saw different trucks every day so I bet the experience and game bag was a little disappointing.

Darryl
 
hoytcanon said:
I agree with all of that...

But when one of those options is to grant free access, I don't get why to do so can only be achieved through "scheming" or "grovelling?"
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"scheme (noun)
large-scale systematic plan or arrangement for attaining some particular object or putting a particular idea into effect.
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A scheme is not necessarily negative, but it might be.

I never mentioned grovelling; but lets do begging. That would be to ask for something as charity or a gift. Since our peculiar laws ban paying for, offering to pay for, swapping or bartering for in any form what-so-ever that just leaves invitation and begging. Begging again, being asking for a gift or charity. Our laws make practically everyone into beggers. A begger with a cardboard sign saying "will work for food" might garner some sympathy. A hunter with a cardboard sign that says "Will work for hunting access" can be charged under the game act and they will use the sign as evidence in court.

Invitations are a different thing; if you ever want to come west and pop a big black or coloured bear you have a standing invitation with me. ;)
 
Dogleg said:
"scheme (noun)
large-scale systematic plan or arrangement for attaining some particular object or putting a particular idea into effect.
"

A scheme is not necessarily negative, but it might be.

I never mentioned grovelling; but lets do begging. That would be to ask for something as charity or a gift. Since our peculiar laws ban paying for, offering to pay for, swapping or bartering for in any form what-so-ever that just leaves invitation and begging. Begging again, being asking for a gift or charity. Our laws make practically everyone into beggers. A begger with a cardboard sign saying "will work for food" might garner some sympathy. A hunter with a cardboard sign that says "Will work for hunting access" can be charged under the game act and they will use the sign as evidence in court.

Invitations are a different thing; if you ever want to come west and pop a big black or coloured bear you have a standing invitation with me. ;)
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I don't think we are on different pages... I am a landowner and hunt my land, and do not give permission to random strangers, but do regularly invite friends and coworkers to join me for hunts... and I support any landowners rights to do what they choose with their land, assuming that it does not negatively affect their neighbors (damming water courses, erosion etc...)... p.s - I appreciate the invite, 99% of our bears are black and I have always wanted to take a cinnamon colour phase bear... this year is set aside for a goat, but perhaps down the road we will connect... we have walked some of the same ground already. đź‘Ť

As I write this, I am sitting at my loading bench, I am closing in on a keeper load for my M77 MKII 6.5 Rem Mag.
 
As a property owner I have zero problem with land owners receiving payment of any kind for hunting access, be it cash or labour or even a bottle of something and some steaks. I think the important part is it’s the landowners choice with regards to compensation, they set the terms and people can say yes or know as they see fit.

It’s nice when someone gives permission with no expectation of compensation, I’ve had this offered by my in-laws and I made sure they knew I’d be dropping off meat as a thank you regardless. They know I will respect their wishes when on their land as well as keep an eye on it while I’m there.

I’m lucky to live in an area with vast amounts of crown land close by, so paying for access isn’t all that interesting to me. I know as a property owner if I had someone I trusted to actually show up and help me with projects or maintenance, I’d take that over a couple hundred bucks any day. That’s much more helpful to me personally, sweat equity is wort more to most people I know in our rural community.
 
Dogleg said:
Logic tells me that you are scared ####less that your free ride might end. I don't want a free ride; and believe in the right of landowners to charge, not charge, prohibit or encourage hunting as they see fit. Hunters of course would be still free to take it or leave it; or hunt on the Crown.
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Well, your not to logical, because I'm not scared chitless. I'm aware that things change as life continues, however you're living a pipe-dream. I hear the echos of liberalism in your tone; increased taxes and fees. The Halls of Parliament are reverberating the sounds of total gun ban..........that's what I'm concerned about, not your postage stamp piece of land.
 
Lots of hunters don't mind paying for $65K trucks, $20K ATV's, expensive guns, Swarovski optics and beer, but ask them to spend a few dollars supporting pro gun organizations or pay to access private property and they misplace their wallet. ;)

Private land is private, if the owner wants you to pay for access you either pay it or leave. Grumbling about it doesn't change anything except make someone more miserable than they already are.
 
I've had guys go to the land registry office to search titles , find out i own the land , get my phone number , call me and then tell me to fvck myself when i've refused permission to hunt . I was building a gate and a fence on an access a few years ago when a CO pulled up for a visit . Nice guy . He told me i should flag my fence better which only extends 20 yards on each side of the gate so there is no mistaking the visibility . It's page wire fencing , no mistaking it but i did use flagging tape on the top wires . He told me that the previous year a local farmer had dug his ditches out in the summer and trespassers on snow machines blasted right by his No Trespassing signs in the winter and one guy went into a ditch at high speed and seriously injured himself . The trespasser sued the farmer . The CO didn't know how it ended in court but the farmer was on the hook for legal fees . Liability is a consideration when allowing access .

I bought my property for family recreation and hunting . I'm not a farmer . I've built 10 km of road on it , 3 large food plots and feeders . Lots of hard work and lots of money to keep it going in equipment , feed , seeds , lime , fertilizer , brush clearing and time . 5 of us hunting on it now and no other permission for anyone else to come in and take advantage of everything i put into it every year .

I've had guys disappointed to angry at me for not giving permission that somehow figured i owed to them because we know each other . These guys have jet skis , boats and motors , snow machines , ATVs and Mexican vacations . Their priorities are different than mine , and that's fine but i don't ask to be taken on a Mexican vacation . If i was a farmer it may be different but i specifically purchased timber land for family hunting and recreation .
 
track said:
Well, your not to logical, because I'm not scared chitless. I'm aware that things change as life continues, however you're living a pipe-dream. I hear the echos of liberalism in your tone; increased taxes and fees. The Halls of Parliament are reverberating the sounds of total gun ban..........that's what I'm concerned about, not your postage stamp piece of land.
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Liberalism?

He isn't taking your land and giving to those who don't have.
 
madtrapper143 said:
As long as I can remember the old "tips" sections of hunting regs and other sportsman's reads advocated sharing game, closing gates, offering to help do odd work and chores as a way to obtain permission to hunt private land. I have some access to farm land in Manitoba to hunt ducks. Offers of game have been turned down as most farm folk don't have a clue how to cook it and can't be bothered with it. As for helping out around the place the fellow who allows me access to his farms says he doesn't want any liability issues if I was injured while in a sense working for him. He is just happy to let me hunt the property. I do buy a gift certificate at the local diner for him and mail a Christmas card. Once you have permission courtesy is appreciated i.e.: closing a gate etc. I feel the old tips have fallen into the days of the past when everything (including access to land) was simpler. As for pay to trespass my recent experiences in South Dakota indicate that private land hunting access will soon be the domain of those with lots of cash. 250.00 to 300.00 a day per man to hunt farm land was not uncommon. On these places I saw different trucks every day so I bet the experience and game bag was a little disappointing.

Darryl
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You sure got different farm folk in your neck of the woods. Lots of families around here grew up eating wild game because domestic animals have a dollar value and were an income source.
 
Jaaska said:
I've had guys disappointed to angry at me for not giving permission that somehow figured i owed to them because we know each other . These guys have jet skis , boats and motors , snow machines , ATVs and Mexican vacations . Their priorities are different than mine , and that's fine but i don't ask to be taken on a Mexican vacation . If i was a farmer it may be different but i specifically purchased timber land for family hunting and recreation .
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Yup, classic example. Whenever I ask to borrow something or use someones land I always make it very clear that they can say NO if they want to and there will be no hard feelings, and I mean it. Some people understand that the things you buy represent a part of your life that you have dedicated to earning the money to pay for them.....and some people don't....
 
BrotherRockeye said:
You sure got different farm folk in your neck of the woods. Lots of families around here grew up eating wild game because domestic animals have a dollar value and were an income source.
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Not my neck of the woods. I am talking about southern Manitoba. Very few of the farmers I know hunt and even less want anything to do with wild ducks or geese. Believe me I have offered hand picked head shot mallards and was turned down on more than one occasion. I don't doubt a generation was raised on wild game 40 years ago but times are changing. Store bought turkey and ham is more appreciated.

Darryl
 
track said:
Well, your not to logical, because I'm not scared chitless. I'm aware that things change as life continues, however you're living a pipe-dream. I hear the echos of liberalism in your tone; increased taxes and fees. The Halls of Parliament are reverberating the sounds of total gun ban..........that's what I'm concerned about, not your postage stamp piece of land.
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Well; now you’re just babbling.
 
Dogleg said:
Post counts have something to do with property rights now?
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When you've had multiple posts on various threads, playing the self sympathy card of property rights, yes they do count. Rights, fees, self sympathy= Liberalism. You don't echo the sounds of "the good ole" Saskatchewan farmer.
 
Dogleg said:
When people knock on a long series of stranger's doors they are putting some of those same people through a lot of stress to do something they would rather not.
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Rediculous statement.

Albertans are having a harder and harder time getting access to crown and lease land. I'm not too concerned at kissing someone's ass to hunt their private acreage. Either they are ok with it or not. I'm not stressing them out. And vice versa.
 
track said:
When you've had multiple posts on various threads, playing the self sympathy card of property rights, yes they do count. Rights, fees, self sympathy= Liberalism. You don't echo the sounds of "the good ole" Saskatchewan farmer.
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The attitude of "the good ole" Saskatchewan farmer is changing. Do you really think the push for private property rights is going to stop at trespass laws?

That's only the first step.
 
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