PDW builds - Lets see them, and share results

OICU812 said:
The ACR is one slick rifle, BUT..when will we civilians see it in Canada? Hmmm new years saving resolution :)
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Some of us "we" civilians already have it... :confused:
If you're referring to the Remington/military version, that's a hard guess; some indications are it's for the US military only while some believe we'll see an "ACR-2" as pictured above.
 
blaxsun said:
Some of us "we" civilians already have it... :confused:
If you're referring to the Remington/military version, that's a hard guess; some indications are it's for the US military only while some believe we'll see an "ACR-2" as pictured above.
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Yea that's what I meant Rem/Military, and just seen the #2 post sorry. As you show it guard up tight shorter barrel looks well...awesome. :)
 
wicked_police said:
I had a HERA kit for a little while. And it was fun. But after using it a few times, I decided I was either going to train with my pistols or my carbine.... And if I wanted to just have fun, I can have enough fun with the same guns as well.

While the potential for slightly better accuracy is there due to how you're holding the gun, it's not gonna magically increase the velocity of the round, enabling it to reach further and hit harder.

That's more what I was getting at.....
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You said 'slightly' better accuracy. I read somewhere that by putting a stock on a handgun your accuracy goes up 80% and I'd have to agree.
 
aznshooter said:
Can't we all just play nice now?

Leave the melo drama to the lawyers and just talk guns!

Most importantly, when is that PDW stock going to be available for sale??

Is there a different barrel in that Hera kit? I have a Mechtech and the increased barrel length results in slightly higher muzzle velocity.

I think the dude meant holo sight.. no need to point out typos! :)
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I also had a Glock conversion kit a while back. I was impressed by how accurate it was actually. I never cronographed the rounds but I did some testing with shooting rounds into phonebooks and noted a 600 page difference in penetration. The two rounds out of the Glock conversion kit are switched around but it's not hard to tell that one bullet is more deformed then the other.
I tried some 124gr. Federal Tactical Bonded bullets and 124gr. Federal HST jacketed hollow point.
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The top round is a Speer Gold Dot out of the handgun.

From the pic, you can see there was considerably more strain on the bullets because of the increased velocity.
 
Glock-a-maniac said:
well Mr. Popo, since this is a thread about Personal Defense Weapons, feel free to share with the class what the ft.lbs of energy of a 230gr 45ACP round is vs a 55gr 223 round at 100-200yds. I think if I remember correctly, I said the bullets hit hard, but my ballistic software doesn't have handgun rounds so this will be educational for all.

As for marginal accuracy gain with a Hera stock over shooting a handgun offhand, I'll put money on that if you're interested. I'll even use my 'cheap' hollow site if you're up to the challenge.

As for training with a handgun, I agree so I bought myself another Kimber.
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id pay to see that, and i know who my money would be on, ;)
 
45 acp 230 gr federal hydra shok 100 yard velocity 832 fps, 100 yards - 354 foot pounds.

223 federal 62 gr tactical bonded 100 yard velocity 2632 fps, 100 yards - 953 foot pounds

The energy of the 223 at 400 yards is where the 45 is at 100 yards. Do I like both rounds? Yeah, I'd take both but the AR platform gives you penetration that the 45 won't do. ( and yes I realize that the 223 will lose some velocity out of a shorty and tou might gain a little if the 45 has a longer barrel, but the 223 still wins at long range and armor issues)
 
c4pyro said:
45 acp 230 gr federal hydra shok 100 yard velocity 832 fps, 100 yards - 354 foot pounds.

223 federal 62 gr tactical bonded 100 yard velocity 2632 fps, 100 yards - 953 foot pounds

The energy of the 223 at 400 yards is where the 45 is at 100 yards. Do I like both rounds? Yeah, I'd take both but the AR platform gives you penetration that the 45 won't do. ( and yes I realize that the 223 will lose some velocity out of a shorty and tou might gain a little if the 45 has a longer barrel, but the 223 still wins at long range and armor issues)
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Good points. Now comparing PDW .223 at 50yds, where is the cross over or is there one at all?
 
Oh, great! Duelling pistols at high noon. Haven't seen that on CGN before.

A lot of this is BS to begin with. None of this truly matters. Like anyone with a "professional" vested interest in a PDW is going to put weight into anything said on CGN. LMAO!

So Troy claims he can accurately hit targets with greater ease with pistol by using a stock. Ok, makes sense. Where is the dispute? So what if a .223 Rem has more energy at 200 yds. than a .45ACP. Unless you plan on shooting someone it doesn't make a damn bit of difference one way or another.
 
Out of the muzzle the 45 is at 414 ft/lbs, muzzle of the .223 is 1281 so no cross over really. Again that is comparing pistol 45 to 16 inch AR but I don't think the numbers would change much with a longer 45 barrel and pdw 223. They will change but not even close to crossing over from the looks of it.
 
This is hilarious!
Anyway didn't someone post some MV readings of 9mm through different lenghth barrels and found there was almsot no increase in MV from pistol rounds in longer barrels? I just wanted to point that out.
 
clickclickboom said:
This is hilarious!
Anyway didn't someone post some MV readings of 9mm through different lenghth barrels and found there was almsot no increase in MV from pistol rounds in longer barrels? I just wanted to point that out.
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I'm pretty sure something happened by sending a 9mm bullet down a longer barrel because bullets don't decide on their own to burry themselves 600pages further into phonebooks at point blank range.
 
crappy I phone pic but sweet nonetheless, Gen2 Noveske .300AAC SS LoPro VIS 8 inches, AAC flash supp (Of no use here). Thank you Questar!
 
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